YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[Wacky D]

Numbers to the side, his impact was enormous. And remember, I’m saying this from the west coast where they were playing his shyt nonstop all day everyday.

well the point of that argument was to show @JustCKing that no other labels are gonna low-ball their multi-plat bread-winner(juvenile) and have him stuck with the same promotion as somebody that never sold a record(wayne), unless theres some sort of ulterior motive there.

i brought biggie up as an example that puff wasn't gonna have any rappers getting as much promo on bad boy as biggie. i just mentioned that juvenile sold more than him as a way to really drive my point home.

and while mase was a nice try, as a huge artist upon his debut and a completely different animal from '99 wayne, he still didn't get as much promo out the gate as biggie in '97.

 

[mobbinfms]

well the point of that argument was to show @JustCKing that no other labels are gonna low-ball their multi-plat bread-winner(juvenile) and have him stuck with the same promotion as somebody that never sold a record(wayne), unless theres some sort of ulterior motive there.

i brought biggie up as an example that puff wasn't gonna have any rappers getting as much promo on bad boy as biggie. i just mentioned that juvenile sold more than him as a way to really drive my point home.

and while mase was a nice try, as a huge artist upon his debut and a completely different animal from '99 wayne, he still didn't get as much promo out the gate as biggie in '97.

I agree with all of this. If I had to invest in either Biggie or Mase in 97, I’d put all my money on Biggie. I can’t imagine the label saw it different.

 

[Wacky D]

I agree with all of this. If I had to invest in either Biggie or Mase in 97, I’d put all my money on Biggie. I can’t imagine the label saw it different.

@JustCKing seems to think that the promotion for LAD and harlem world were equal.

but yea, that's my main gripe with the g-code album, is that he arguably got less promotion than Wayne's debut.

at least mase was a monster and the most anticipated new artist of '97. meanwhile, wayne wasn't even the most anticipated next artist from the hot boys. more heads were waiting on turk album. but yet, here comes wayne getting >>> or = to juvenile's promo for g-code, despite the fact that juvi just sold 4-5 milli on his last album, which goes back to why i could never classify g-code as a flop.​

 

[mobbinfms]

@JustCKing seems to think that the promotion for LAD and harlem world were equal.

but yea, that's my main gripe with the g-code album, is that he arguably got less promotion than Wayne's debut.

at least mase was a monster and the most anticipated new artist of '97. meanwhile, wayne wasn't even the most anticipated next artist from the hot boys. more heads were waiting on turk album. but yet, here comes wayne getting >>> or = to juvenile's promo for g-code, despite the fact that juvi just sold 4-5 milli on his last album, which goes back to why i could never classify g-code as a flop.​

To me it flopped. You’re just explaining the reasons why.

 

[mobbinfms]

They do it all the time. Your flagship artist doesn't need the promo that your new artist does.

Q Tip and Nas weren't doing bad at this point. Nas hadn't even dropped Nastradamus yet.

"Hot Boyz" set a record. This wasn't just some song that charted high and disappeared. The song was #1 for 18 weeks on the rap charts. "Love Is Blind" was not bigger culturally.

Mase dropped at the end of the year and still managed to not only have his first single on a Soundtrack, but breh was doing daytime television appearances, was on Nickleodeon. That's not even mentioning the songs that weren't even singles yet that radio was picking up.

I agree that Hot Boys was a bigger song than Love Is Blind. Much bigger. I think @Wacky D is arguing Eve was culturally bigger than Missy so Love is Blind is culturally bigger? I’ll say that song wasn’t very big on the West Coast. What you want was much bigger.

 

[mobbinfms]

Pre-summer 1999, Juvenile was much bigger than Ghetto Mafia and Major Figgas. Those were local artists in comparison to Juvenile. Ghetto Mafia was never national and Major Figgas never were either.

I agree. Ghetto Mafia didn’t get Jay in the remix.

 

[mobbinfms]

Anyone who bought any album for single that isn't even on the album LOST

 

[mobbinfms]

those groups had national exposure and their own hits on a smaller level.

from an all-around national standpoint, juvenile pre-summer '99 was gimmicky one-hit wonder status. hence, the reason why 400 degreez was a slow-burn up until the summer.

I remember Foxy talking about getting him on her second album because he was the next hot Southern rapper.
Juvy was definitely getting pushed in a way the other examples you have never got.

 

[OHSNAP!]

I remember Foxy talking about getting him on her second album because he was the next hot Southern rapper.
Juvy was definitely getting pushed in a way the other examples you have never got.

I mean Juvie (usually with Hot Boys/Baby) had songs on Foxy, Biggie, Jay, Noreaga, E-40, Missy, Pat and a ton of 99/00 soundtracks, basically covering all rap fanbases/regions. Everyone wanted the hot new thang

 

[mobbinfms]

Breh, "Ha" alone was bigger than what they had going on at the time. And you're moving goal posts.

400 Degreez wasn't a slow burn up until the summer. This whole convo about Juve stems from you being late to the party and trying to save face.

In terms of certifications, it did take 400 a while to go gold and then platinum. It really took off with Back That. So slow burn is accurate.

 

[mobbinfms]

I gave you several examples, but you still want to argue. Mase was the biggest example.

Nastradamus was not out long before most folks heard "Hot Boyz". That song peaked like a week after Nastradamus dropped.

Q Tip flopping is neither here or there. You saying that compounds my point about "Hot Boyz" being the biggest song that all parties involved had out. They ALL benefited.

Whether you think it was "THAT" serious wasn't even the point. You came in arguing that it wasn't bigger than "Love Is Blind", which you conveniently abandoned in this latest post on the subject.

LOL, I indeed answered the Mase question. Mase had "Feels So Good", "Tell Me", "Lookin At Me", and "24 Hrs. To Live" as singles complete with videos for Harlem World. Biggie had "Hypnotize", "Mo Money, Mo Problems", and "Sky's The Limit". Puff had "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down", "Been Around The World", "Benjamins", "Missing You", "Victory" and "Been Around The World" remix. Half of Puff's singles featured Mase.

They pushed Big way more than Mase.
Not saying Mase didn’t get a big push too.

 

[mobbinfms]

The Box in Philly, ATL, and the Bay would all be the same. Same videos. The only difference in the videos is that each respective city had access to more local videos respective to that area.

That means they weren’t the same

 

[mobbinfms]

You don't have to actually have the plaque be physically present to have a platinum party. Artists have done platinum parties without the plaque being physically there.

If you say so. The point of the party is to celebrate the fact you’ve gone platinum. It would be like having a birthday party three months early

 

[mobbinfms]

Chart positions don't tell you how much an album sold. That's why they are irrelevant. An album debuting at #1 or at #10 tells you nothing as proven.

Ok. Chart position means nothing. #1 vs. #200 means nothing.

I don’t agree but that’s how we’ll rock for this thread.

 

[mobbinfms]

"I'll be honest. I was disappointed when Tim's Bio didn't top the charts or rack up millions in sales"--- Timbaland, pg. 122 from Emperor of Sound.

What did he say about Missy’s album taking so long to go platinum? The singles not connecting? The album debuting at #10 instead of #3?