YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[JustCKing]

you just killed your own point, posting that clip.

that's not even how the box channel looked in philly. the designs, the voiceover guy, the preview segments, etc. LOL. our chit didn't look like that.

and i'll give you jt the bigga figga, but i don't know why you keep bringing up ghetto mafia & major figgas. they were signed to major labels, and their bigger stuff was getting played on BET regularly so it was no big deal to see them on the box.

This kills nothing. The look, design and even voiceovers changed with time and not location.

Breh, this is why a national argument is lost on you. You maintain that Eightball & MJG weren't national, but are trying to make a claim that Ghetto Mafia and Major Figgas were. Ghetto Mafia was NOT signed to a major. They were signed to Ichiban and later Fully Loaded. Neither were major labels.

 

[Wacky D]

Duh, of course people didn't know about the original "Hot Boyz" song, it wasn't the single. That isn't the argument. The argument was people actually blindly buying the album en masse thinking the remix was on the album. I'm sure some people blindly bought the album thinking the remix was on the album. Considering the cost of an album vs the cost of the single, many bought the album because they wanted the album and those who just wanted the single and were hip to it not being on the album, only copped the single.

"Hot Boyz" also dropped in the Fall of 1999, weeks ahead of Nastradamus.

Breh, there is no clear way of measuring chart performance vs cultural significance. One thing is definite though and that is the song had staying power(more so than "Love Is Blind"), which is a testament to its cultural significance.

Mase had a #1 single in "Feels So Good", "What You Want" was #6, and "Lookin' At Me" was #8. All of these songs were getting massive airplay. "24 Hrs. To Live" was the only one that wasn't a hit. And these were bigger than Puff's "bottom feeder singles". Mase was featured on Puff's first two singles and one of Big's singles and debuted on 112's "Only You" where Biggie also had a verse. Mase was getting the same amount of promo from Bad Boy if not more than Puff and Big. Mase was pushed. Puff wasn't even selling his own album on his own merits. It was Puff Daddy & The Family. Pretty evident that Mase was being pushed to the forefront. Biggie isn't even pictured on the front cover of the album, but Mase is. Biggie is on the back cover in a separate photo with Puff. Clearly he was pushing Mase to the forefront even while Biggie was alive. There's even a nice shout out from Biggie on "Victory" in the form of a slick double entendre (we just masing them /Mase & them) where he name drops each member of the family.

youre getting your arguments mixed up. that was your argument with @mobbinfms.
your argument with me was you claiming that everyone benefited from the hot boyz remix, which clearly isn't true.
and i don't remember that song before nastradamus, but if youre right, and it was out before nastradamus, then youre furthering my point even more, and ruining your own argument. THANKS.

you don't need any cultural significance whatsoever in order to top the charts. and nah im not saying that hot boyz didn't have any cultural significance but it wasn't that serious. by that i mean, not that important.

LOL. "lookin at me" did not get massive airplay. you've been doing a lot of tap-dancing around this, but now youre just saying anything.

 

[Wacky D]

This kills nothing. The look, design and even voiceovers changed with time and not location.

Breh, this is why a national argument is lost on you. You maintain that Eightball & MJG weren't national, but are trying to make a claim that Ghetto Mafia and Major Figgas were. Ghetto Mafia was NOT signed to a major. They were signed to Ichiban and later Fully Loaded. Neither were major labels.

PLEASE STOP.

our chit never looked like that.

i never said that those groups were nationally popular. im saying they had national exposure on TV. youre talking about two completely different things.

i may be wrong about the label ghetto mafia was signed to, but they were regulars on BET and ive even seen them get daytime afternoon play outside of rap city.

 

[JustCKing]

youre getting your arguments mixed up. that was your argument with @mobbinfms.
your argument with me was you claiming that everyone benefited from the hot boyz remix, which clearly isn't true.
and i don't remember that song before nastradamus, but if youre right, and it was out before nastradamus, then youre furthering my point even more, and ruining your own argument. THANKS.

you don't need any cultural significance whatsoever in order to top the charts. and nah im not saying that hot boyz didn't have any cultural significance but it wasn't that serious. by that i mean, not that important.

LOL. "lookin at me" did not get massive airplay. you've been doing a lot of tap-dancing around this, but now youre just saying anything.

They did all benefit. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Your memory of the song is irrelevant. The FACT is that it dropped weeks before Nastradamus. Your memory of 1999, has once again proved to be foggy at best. Don't really see how "Hot Boyz" dropping before Nastradamus strengthens your argument.

Where did I say the chart position of "Hot Boyz" was equivalent to cultural significance. I was pointing to its staying power.

Breh, "Lookin At Me" was a huge single in 1998 . Proven fact. And you're Savion Glover in regard to tap dancing around topics. I brought proof of Mase's push and all you can come up with is the lie that "Lookin At Me" wasn't huge.

 

[JustCKing]

PLEASE STOP.

our chit never looked like that.

i never said that those groups were nationally popular. im saying they had national exposure on TV. youre talking about two completely different things.

i may be wrong about the label ghetto mafia was signed to, but they were regulars on BET and ive even seen them get daytime afternoon play outside of rap city.

And again, you're moving goal posts. Whether you're TV screen looked like that or not isn't the point. You claimed you didn't hear Juve's biggest single until 1 Summer 1999. I proved that this video was indeed on The Box. You claimed The Box was different. I posted the video that was recorded and out up on YouTube clearly showing a "The Box" logo, but because you have no memory or recollection of it, it became "The Box was different in different locations". Now I live in GA. The person who posted that clip is not from GA.

This is an excellent breakdown of The Box and I don't know if this The Coli's @DANJ! or not, but this is the breakdown:

Music Television YOU Control

There's no "maybe wrong", you are completely wrong about Ghetto Mafia being on a major. And don't give me that they got played in the day time on Rap City garbage because you claimed Eightball & MJG were regional and they got far more play on Rap City than Ghetto Mafia.

 

[Edub]

great year for singles.

by far the weakest year of the '90s when it came to albums tho.

Definitely

 

[mobbinfms]

Again, you asked for why I think Elektra didn't go ahead and get the gold certification.

It is not an assumption for a label to hold out for a platinum certification because at that point the gold certification is automatic.

It is in fact an assumption as to why the label delayed. But I’m this case, there is no evidence that Missy was eligible for a gold certification prior to February of 2000.

 

[JustCKing]

It is in fact an assumption as to why the label delayed. But I’m this case, there is no evidence that Missy was eligible for a gold certification prior to February of 2000.

There is also no evidence of them doing so as to avoid having the album looking like a flop.

My point is that it is common that albums get BOTH platinum and gold certifications on the same day vs getting the certification separately. Sometimes albums do get a gold certification on one date and a platinum certification on another. ALL of Missy's albums were certified BOTH Gold & Platinum on the same respective dates except Cookbook, which only went gold and Under Construction, which went 2X Platinum.

 

[mobbinfms]

And you're assuming people purchased the album did so thinking the remix was I the album. That's not true. I'm not saying that remix didn't bring attention to the album (whole point of a single) because it obviously did. But its ludicrous to think that everybody who purchased the album after the single dropped was unaware the remix wasn't on the album.

It’s an assumption either way.
All we know is the album returned to the charts in 2000 for another three months charting as high as #130 I think. The timing is consistent with the remix.

 

[mobbinfms]

But you are.

Such as?

 

[mobbinfms]

on the surface level, I would agree with most of this.

but if you were a cash money fan, you wouldve been scratching your head like "WTF are they doing over there?"
especially by the spring where it felt like they basically aborted the album after a few months, despite the fact that it sold a lot out the gate.

and naw, juvenile didn't come-and-go, he was still the star of cash money and 2000 was their biggest calendar year.

Came and went on that specific album.
Mama got ass too was a hit out here on the next album. Then of course his post cash money album was huge.

 

[mobbinfms]

true but there were artists who were doing 400 degreez numbers when biggie was poppin.

biggie just wasn't one of them.

Numbers to the side, his impact was enormous. And remember, I’m saying this from the west coast where they were playing his shyt nonstop all day everyday.

 

[mobbinfms]

i'll give you jt tha bigga figga.

but pre-summer '99, juvenile wasn't that much more national than a ghetto mafia or later on a major figgas.

again, I could be wrong about how long the "back that thang up" video was on the box up here. but not only do I not remember it being out in the spring, but I don't even remember anyone talking about it that early.

As I understand it, the more popular the song is in the market for the local affiliate, the more often you’ll see it.

So while there was no “rotation” as @JustCKing first claimed, it might have felt that way in ATL while maybe the video was played less in Philly or other markets out of the South. I’m not saying this happened, but it’s possible based on how the Box worked.

 

[Wacky D]

They did all benefit. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Your memory of the song is irrelevant. The FACT is that it dropped weeks before Nastradamus. Your memory of 1999, has once again proved to be foggy at best. Don't really see how "Hot Boyz" dropping before Nastradamus strengthens your argument.

Where did I say the chart position of "Hot Boyz" was equivalent to cultural significance. I was pointing to its staying power.

Breh, "Lookin At Me" was a huge single in 1998 . Proven fact. And you're Savion Glover in regard to tap dancing around topics. I brought proof of Mase's push and all you can come up with is the lie that "Lookin At Me" wasn't huge.

AGAIN, how did Q-Tip benefit if his album flopped?
how did Nas benefit when he went into limbo?
only missy benefited and maybe lil mo.

you can have staying power on the charts without cultural significance.

you claimed mase's album was pushed as hard as big & puff's. and the examples you gave were shoutouts and guest spots. you cant sit there with a str8 face and claim that the label put just as much money into mase's project as they did for puff & big in '97.

you up here on some "buh buh but biggie shouted mase out on the victory song".

"lookin at me" was not huge.

 

[Wacky D]

And again, you're moving goal posts. Whether you're TV screen looked like that or not isn't the point. You claimed you didn't hear Juve's biggest single until 1 Summer 1999. I proved that this video was indeed on The Box. You claimed The Box was different. I posted the video that was recorded and out up on YouTube clearly showing a "The Box" logo, but because you have no memory or recollection of it, it became "The Box was different in different locations". Now I live in GA. The person who posted that clip is not from GA.

This is an excellent breakdown of The Box and I don't know if this The Coli's @DANJ! or not, but this is the breakdown:

Music Television YOU Control

There's no "maybe wrong", you are completely wrong about Ghetto Mafia being on a major. And don't give me that they got played in the day time on Rap City garbage because you claimed Eightball & MJG were regional and they got far more play on Rap City than Ghetto Mafia.

IT ABSOLUTELY IS THE POINT.

if the layouts, voiceovers, etc aren't the same, then clearly we weren't watching the same videos at the same time.

when you play dumb like this, youre only hurting yourself. youre not winning any arguments when you do this.

no, I clearly said that ghetto mafia got BET daytime play OUTSIDE of rap city. and I made that abundantly clear in my previous post.

and why do you keep re-hashing ancient arguments and trying to apply it to some chit that has nothing to do with the task at hand??? I never said that ghetto mafia wasn't regional. that was never even an argument. so why are you dragging 8ball & mjg into this?? what type of drugs are you on?? both groups were regional.

AGAIN, like I said in my previous post, being nationally exposed is not the same as being nationally popular. clearly this is a concept that never registers in your brain for some strange reason.