YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

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those groups had national exposure and their own hits on a smaller level.

from an all-around national standpoint, juvenile pre-summer '99 was gimmicky one-hit wonder status. hence, the reason why 400 degreez was a slow-burn up until the summer.

Breh, "Ha" alone was bigger than what they had going on at the time. And you're moving goal posts.

400 Degreez wasn't a slow burn up until the summer. This whole convo about Juve stems from you being late to the party and trying to save face.
 

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again, i ask you to name the bolded. ive been asking you this for months in numerous threads.

nastradamus was out long before most people heard hot boyz.
Q-Tip flopped.

im not saying that hot boyz came & went, but its chart success is greater than its cultural significance. and im not saying that it lacked in that department either but that chit wasn't THAT serious. the whole 18 weeks on top of the rap charts thing is news to me. i would've never guessed it,

LOL. you did EVERYTHING BUT answer the mase question. that's how i know youre full of chit.

I gave you several examples, but you still want to argue. Mase was the biggest example.

Nastradamus was not out long before most folks heard "Hot Boyz". That song peaked like a week after Nastradamus dropped.

Q Tip flopping is neither here or there. You saying that compounds my point about "Hot Boyz" being the biggest song that all parties involved had out. They ALL benefited.

Whether you think it was "THAT" serious wasn't even the point. You came in arguing that it wasn't bigger than "Love Is Blind", which you conveniently abandoned in this latest post on the subject.

LOL, I indeed answered the Mase question. Mase had "Feels So Good", "Tell Me", "Lookin At Me", and "24 Hrs. To Live" as singles complete with videos for Harlem World. Biggie had "Hypnotize", "Mo Money, Mo Problems", and "Sky's The Limit". Puff had "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down", "Been Around The World", "Benjamins", "Missing You", "Victory" and "Been Around The World" remix. Half of Puff's singles featured Mase.
 

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Pre-summer 1999, Juvenile was much bigger than Ghetto Mafia and Major Figgas. Those were local artists in comparison to Juvenile. Ghetto Mafia was never national and Major Figgas never were either.
Yeah he was bigger somewhat, but far from huge pre-Back That Azz Up. Before Ha, Juve was a nobody outside Louisiana. After Ha, fanbase/recognition grew somewhat so that his album sold well. But AFTER BTAU he blew up bigtime nationwide and 400 Degreez became fukking quadruple plat
 

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Yeah he was bigger somewhat, but far from huge pre-Back That Azz Up. Before Ha, Juve was a nobody outside Louisiana. After Ha, fanbase/recognition grew somewhat so that his album sold well. But AFTER BTAU he blew up bigtime nationwide and 400 Degreez became fukking quadruple plat

I am by no means saying that "Ha" made Juve a superstar, but it is completely off base to say he wasn't much bigger than Ghetto Mafia or Major Figgas. There was a significant difference. I am not talking Juvenile before "Ha".
 

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It wasn't different across the country. The only difference was the local, obscure artists which was already pointed out.

Why are you weighing in at all? Your post about the playlists would be relevant if Juve was some local, obscure artist, but he wasn't.

The proof that Juve was in fact on playlists across the Country is that I can pull up The Box videos all over YouTube with this song or other Juve songs on the playlists.

And no, this doesn't mean it would've gotten more play in ATL than Philly. You don't even know how The Box worked. This video didn't even come from me.

I didn't assume anything. YOUR OWN LINK CLEARLY STATES:

Each affiliate had a unique playlist, usually customized to the local market, giving great exposure to more local and obscure groups.
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What part of “each affiliate had a unique playlist” do you not understand?

The Box in Philly was not the same in ATL. The same videos were not being shown at the same time.

There wasn’t even a rotation. It was entirely based on people calling in and requesting a video.

Because the channel's playlist was totally controlled by viewers, anyone could request any video for as many times as they wanted (explaining why some new videos like Bone Thug's "Crossroads" could be seen ten times within an hour)[1].
 

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What part of “each affiliate had a unique playlist” do you not understand?

The Box in Philly was not the same in ATL. The same videos were not being shown at the same time.

There wasn’t even a rotation. It was entirely based on people calling in and requesting a video.

Because the channel's playlist was totally controlled by viewers, anyone could request any video for as many times as they wanted (explaining why some new videos like Bone Thug's "Crossroads" could be seen ten times within an hour)[1].

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. The playlist is a list of videos that were available to anyone that viewed The Box. You couldn't request a video without seeing the playlist and that video had to be on the playlist.

Again, it is clear, you are completely oblivious to how The Box worked. Look at the video below:



The Box in Philly, ATL, and the Bay would all be the same. Same videos. The only difference in the videos is that each respective city had access to more local videos respective to that area. A Juvenile video would be accessible to all three of those areas whereas a JT the Bigga Figga, Ghetto Mafia, or Major Figgas would not.
 

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Breh, "Ha" alone was bigger than what they had going on at the time. And you're moving goal posts.

400 Degreez wasn't a slow burn up until the summer. This whole convo about Juve stems from you being late to the party and trying to save face.


no im not moving goal-posts, nor am I late to the party.

the problem is, you've argued yourself too far off from the topic.

the point being, cash money were not stars everywhere at that point. yea, juvi had a bigger hit, but even with that, a lot of people thought the song was wack and/or a flukey gimmick hit. he was just another southern rapper on BET, not much bigger than say a ghetto mafia. at best, he was trick daddy '99.

and yes, 400 degreez was indeed a slow burn, which brings me back to the initial point that people were still getting put on to 400 degreez when g-code dropped. there was no need for the album at that point, especially if you weren't gonna promote it properly.
 

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no im not moving goal-posts, nor am I late to the party.

the problem is, you've argued yourself too far off from the topic.

the point being, cash money were not stars everywhere at that point. yea, juvi had a bigger hit, but even with that, a lot of people thought the song was wack and/or a flukey gimmick hit. he was just another southern rapper on BET, not much bigger than say a ghetto mafia. at best, he was trick daddy '99.

and yes, 400 degreez was indeed a slow burn, which brings me back to the initial point that people were still getting put on to 400 degreez when g-code dropped. there was no need for the album at that point, especially if you weren't gonna promote it properly.

Breh, you weren't up on Juve's latest single for 400 Degreez until Summer. You were late.

Argued myself fra from the topic? I didn't even initiate a lot of thse side arguments.

Juvenile was bigger than Ghetto Mafia. You're pushing this narrative that he wasn't much bigger to save face.

Anytime a new artist drops two albums within a year of each other, people are still being put on to them. You're not saying anything that would exclusively apply to Juvenile. G Code flopped end of story. After 20 years, that album stalled at platinum whereas 400 Degreez was 4X Platinum by the end of 1999. Def Jam ain't even promote FOMF like they did IDAHIH, but it still was a multi platinum album off of two singles where IDAHIH had four.
 

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^^^^ The Box logo on this shows that it was indeed available.

No it wasn't. It makes no sense that a video like Juve's would not appear on all playlists. When you look at the explanation, the only difference across the country was in regard to local, obscure artists. In which case, the playlist was customized to showcase those artists. Juvenile was not local or obscure.



at times, there were videos that were available for months that nobody actually watched, or they claimed that they saw it, but you could tell they were prolly lying.

perfect example, is the biggest hit coming out of that same city the previous year. master p's "make em say ugh" was more of a winter/spring '98 hit, but I remember it being available for purchase on the box months prior to when it blew up into a mega-hit, and I never saw it for months. funny thing is, he had 4 other videos on the box at the time - I miss my homies, scream, and 6 in the morning. those 3 were all getting a lot of play, and he had a grip of guest spots in videos getting lots of play as well. he also had a video for "ghetto d" which wasn't getting played like that. barely saw that one. but "make em say ugh" didn't get shown at all to my knowledge, until it blew up months later, but it was lingering on the box for a while.

with that said, yall might've been rockin with the "Make em say ugh" video on the box down there the whole time that it was just an option that didn't get requested up here. that may be the case for "back that thang up" unless someone from up here can step in and say otherwise.

sall im saying.
 
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I’m not weighing in on the Juvenile aspect of the debate you and @Wacky D are having.
Clearly you’ve now agree that the Box was different across the country.

And the assumption that you are making isnt. even reasonable. Do you have actual proof that there was some mandatory nationwide playlist that the local Box affiliates had to play? Otherwise, since you are assuming, I will assume it would be more likely that Juvenile would have got more Box AirPlay in ATL than Philly.


sorta.

I mean, by the time the song REALLY blew up, it was getting crazy play everywhere, regardless of region, even if you didn't really follow hip-hop.

but if we're talking spring '99, then yea, im sure it got more play on the southern channels at that point.
 

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at times, there were videos that were available for months that nobody actually watched, or they claimed that they saw it, but you could tell they were prolly lying.

perfect example, is the biggest hit coming out of that same city the previous year. master p's "make em say ugh" was more of a winter/spring '98 hit, but I remember it being available for purchase on the box months prior to when it blew up into a mega-hit, and I never saw it for months. funny thing is, he had 4 other videos on the box at the time - I miss my homies, scream, and 6 in the morning. those 3 were all getting a lot of play, and he had a grip of guest spots in videos getting lots of play as well. he also had a video for "ghetto d" which wasn't getting played like that. barely saw that one. but "make em say ugh" didn't get shown at all to my knowledge, until it blew up months later, but it was lingering on the box for a while.

with that said, yall might've been rockin with the "Make em say ugh" video on the box down there the whole time that it was just an option that didn't get requested up here. that may be the case for "back that thang up" unless someone from up here can step in and say otherwise.

sall im saying.

I remember the video being on The Box in March/April 1998.
 

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Yes. Timbaland shared public views of what he thought about Tim's Bio and Indecent Proposal which are both Timbaland projects that never went platinum or gold, but Welcome To Our World did.
This is incredibly vague. When? What did he say?
 

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You asked me what I thought and I told you. Simple as that.
So are going to make Reasonable inferences and assumptions from the available evidence or not?
How do you want to do this?
We should keep it consistent across the board.
 

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Because the numbers for it selling the majority of her copies don't add up for her to move most of her units in 2000. Common sense would tell you that.
Common sense based on chart positions. But you’ve said repeatedly that chart positions are irrelevant. So which is it? Are they relevant or not?
 
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