YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[JustCKing]

Youre assuming that anyone who purchased the album after the remix (1) knew the remix wasn’t on the album (2) reviewed the track list prior to purchase.

And you're assuming people purchased the album did so thinking the remix was I the album. That's not true. I'm not saying that remix didn't bring attention to the album (whole point of a single) because it obviously did. But its ludicrous to think that everybody who purchased the album after the single dropped was unaware the remix wasn't on the album.

 

[JustCKing]

I’m not the one making disingenuous arguments.

But you are.

 

[Wacky D]

@Wacky D Their video for "Mind Sex" I remember first seeing it in the spring of 2000, tho.

I barely watched that video.

song still gives me the creeps.

 

[Wacky D]

I still can’t believe how Juvy just came and went on that album after how big 400 Degrees was.
The chart positions for first week were about the same, but G Code should have been much higher.
The singles obviously didn’t do as well as 400 Degrees.
The album didn’t sell as much. It did go platinum quicker, but It felt like a flop in real time. The expectations were much higher and 400 was a slow burn (no pun intended).

on the surface level, I would agree with most of this.

but if you were a cash money fan, you wouldve been scratching your head like "WTF are they doing over there?"
especially by the spring where it felt like they basically aborted the album after a few months, despite the fact that it sold a lot out the gate.

and naw, juvenile didn't come-and-go, he was still the star of cash money and 2000 was their biggest calendar year.

 

[Wacky D]

You could argue, but you'd lose that argument. "Hot Boyz" was bigger than "Love Is Blind". They all benefited it from simply because that particular song set a record for most weeks at #1 on the Rap charts and wasn't broken until this year. The remix to "Flava In Ya Ear" is definitely a bigger deal than the original. And it doesn't matter who was spittin' on "One More Chance". Mary is uncredited as a feature. She's on the song and in the video.

Juvenile didn't sell 5 million records and NO it doesn't mean the label is giving you more promo than a newbie. They sold 4 million records with three singles and videos and promo on the strength of that success. Why would you break the budget when you just sold 4 million records for cheap and you have artists on deck that you're trying to break.

Breh, Puff put Mase on his debut single while Biggie was still alive. "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" dropped in late 1996.

no respectable label does the bolded. theres no coincidence that the group disbanded a year later.

hot boyz was bigger based on what?? it may have charted better but "love is blind" was bigger culturally.

no, I mean REALLY how did they benefit?? don't give me any roundabout answers. Q-Tip and Nas were doing bad at this point. only guest doing good on here was Eve, who was already holding the female crown.

the bottom line is that the original "flava in ya ear" was already huge, and youre being dense with the "one more chance" thing.

since youre playing dense on every side-topic, let me be more clear so you cant talk around it. im talking about the albums. are you gonna sit here and say that harlem world got as much promotion as the big & puff albums that year??

 

[Wacky D]

Breh, nobody categorizes rappers as Pop this or Pop that. That's message board fodder.

Breh, how do you buy an album for a song that doesn't even appear on the album especially when the single was sold separately.

Club bangers =/= Pop no matter how goofy you thought they were.

Breh, don't come at me about caring about MTV, when you're the one archiving their shows on VHS. You're bringing up what you saw on TRL (a MTV show) and are criticizing me for "caring" about a media outlet that you put more stock in than I ever have.

I didnt even watch TRL. their history is just accessible. you can press up the countdown order for every single episode.

besides, me watching or archiving something, is a big difference than putting stake into it.

and you cant be serious with the bolded.

 

[Wacky D]

Different time.

true but there were artists who were doing 400 degreez numbers when biggie was poppin.

biggie just wasn't one of them.

 

[Wacky D]

We didn’t have Box where I grew up (in the Bay Area) but according to Wikipedia, @Wacky D is right.

At first, all of The Box's request lines used a large block of Miami telephone numbers and callers were only charged for a long distance call; however, in order to gain revenue, the network switched to the request line to a 1-900toll number, with callers being charged from $1.99 to $3.99 per call to make a request of up to three videos. The network was well known for being an "underground" outlet for music videos that were not shown or even banned on MTV, with up to 350 videos selectable at any given time in each of the 170 (by September 1992) different Box affiliates throughout the United States. Each affiliate had a unique playlist, usually customized to the local market, giving great exposure to more local and obscure groups.

great post.

they wouldn't let me rep you.

 

[Wacky D]

You missed this part and this is why BOTH of ya'll are WRONG:

Customized to the local market giving great exposure to more local and obscure groups.

^^ Juvenile was not some local artist. I could see if we were in here talking about JT Tha Bigga Figga, Major Figgas, or Ghetto Mafia. These would've been artists that we would've only seen in our respective areas. Juvenile was a National artist.

i'll give you jt tha bigga figga.

but pre-summer '99, juvenile wasn't that much more national than a ghetto mafia or later on a major figgas.

again, I could be wrong about how long the "back that thang up" video was on the box up here. but not only do I not remember it being out in the spring, but I don't even remember anyone talking about it that early.

 

[JustCKing]

no respectable label does the bolded. theres no coincidence that the group disbanded a year later.

hot boyz was bigger based on what?? it may have charted better but "love is blind" was bigger culturally.

no, I mean REALLY how did they benefit?? don't give me any roundabout answers. Q-Tip and Nas were doing bad at this point. only guest doing good on here was Eve, who was already holding the female crown.

the bottom line is that the original "flava in ya ear" was already huge, and youre being dense with the "one more chance" thing.

since youre playing dense on every side-topic, let me be more clear so you cant talk around it. im talking about the albums. are you gonna sit here and say that harlem world got as much promotion as the big & puff albums that year??

They do it all the time. Your flagship artist doesn't need the promo that your new artist does.

Q Tip and Nas weren't doing bad at this point. Nas hadn't even dropped Nastradamus yet.

"Hot Boyz" set a record. This wasn't just some song that charted high and disappeared. The song was #1 for 18 weeks on the rap charts. "Love Is Blind" was not bigger culturally.

Mase dropped at the end of the year and still managed to not only have his first single on a Soundtrack, but breh was doing daytime television appearances, was on Nickleodeon. That's not even mentioning the songs that weren't even singles yet that radio was picking up.

 

[JustCKing]

i'll give you jt tha bigga figga.

but pre-summer '99, juvenile wasn't that much more national than a ghetto mafia or later on a major figgas.

again, I could be wrong about how long the "back that thang up" video was on the box up here. but not only do I not remember it being out in the spring, but I don't even remember anyone talking about it that early.

Pre-summer 1999, Juvenile was much bigger than Ghetto Mafia and Major Figgas. Those were local artists in comparison to Juvenile. Ghetto Mafia was never national and Major Figgas never were either.

 

[JustCKing]

I didnt even watch TRL. their history is just accessible. you can press up the countdown order for every single episode.

besides, me watching or archiving something, is a big difference than putting stake into it.

and you cant be serious with the bolded.

If you don't put stake into an MTV show why are you archiving it for playback especially an MTV News joint. And your point about TRL is no different from me posting a link from MTV for the same reasons why you bring up TRL.

And I am serious with the bolded. Anyone who bought any album for single that isn't even on the album LOST especially in the late '90's. They let you listen to samples in the store.

 

[Wacky D]

Pre-summer 1999, Juvenile was much bigger than Ghetto Mafia and Major Figgas. Those were local artists in comparison to Juvenile. Ghetto Mafia was never national and Major Figgas never were either.

those groups had national exposure and their own hits on a smaller level.

from an all-around national standpoint, juvenile pre-summer '99 was gimmicky one-hit wonder status. hence, the reason why 400 degreez was a slow-burn up until the summer.

 

[Wacky D]

If you don't put stake into an MTV show why are you archiving it for playback especially an MTV News joint. And your point about TRL is no different from me posting a link from MTV for the same reasons why you bring up TRL.

And I am serious with the bolded. Anyone who bought any album for single that isn't even on the album LOST especially in the late '90's. They let you listen to samples in the store.

im not putting any stake into anything.

i was simply deading the idea that missy flopping of '99 was just some chit that was in my head - which is the narrative that you tried to push.

as for the TRL thing, i brought it up to illustrate that "back that thang up" was getting daily play on the biggest video show in all of music, the whole time that g-code was being promoted. if that's not over-lapping, then i don't know what is.

 

[Wacky D]

They do it all the time. Your flagship artist doesn't need the promo that your new artist does.

Q Tip and Nas weren't doing bad at this point. Nas hadn't even dropped Nastradamus yet.

"Hot Boyz" set a record. This wasn't just some song that charted high and disappeared. The song was #1 for 18 weeks on the rap charts. "Love Is Blind" was not bigger culturally.

Mase dropped at the end of the year and still managed to not only have his first single on a Soundtrack, but breh was doing daytime television appearances, was on Nickleodeon. That's not even mentioning the songs that weren't even singles yet that radio was picking up.

again, i ask you to name the bolded. ive been asking you this for months in numerous threads.

nastradamus was out long before most people heard hot boyz.
Q-Tip flopped.

im not saying that hot boyz came & went, but its chart success is greater than its cultural significance. and im not saying that it lacked in that department either but that chit wasn't THAT serious. the whole 18 weeks on top of the rap charts thing is news to me. i would've never guessed it,

LOL. you did EVERYTHING BUT answer the mase question. that's how i know youre full of chit.