YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

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Could it be the time frame of releases that could be being missed.

2 years between album releases was common. TRU in 97 vs TRU 99 won't yield the same numbers. The gap between both albums, artists/labels could have lost their steam from the masses.

Going by today's standards: An November TRU album release in 97, and a TRU album release in April of 98, would sell the same or close.
 

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130K or even less (since Britney started the year off at #1 with 121K) was enough to score a #1 debut.
But how frequently was this the case? That’s the central issue right?
Do you have the number for the entire year?
If so, post them.
 

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But how frequently was this the case? That’s the central issue right?
Do you have the number for the entire year?
If so, post them.

How frequent the occurrence wasn't the central issue. The central issue was Missy doing 131K and debuting at #10. My argument was that the placement was irrelevant as Britney Spears debuted at #1 with 121K. You were arguing that it was a rare occurrence, which even if that's the case, it doesn't disprove my argument: 131K would've possibly scored an artist a #1 in 1999 and the very least a Top 5 position as backed by the article I posted.
 

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Albums in 97 were doing 600k a week.

Don't do that. You know I know I full well albums were selling that in one week prior to 1999. Only reason, I pointed out 1999 specifically is because I'm trying to show you that this was one of those sales weeks in which the number 1 was 650K and older albums were still peaking.
 

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Breh, you're not making any sense. DMX had three albums on the Billboard 200 at the same time. All of these albums were still moving units when he dropped the next one. It was all concurrent. Same with Juvenile's 400 Degreez. No, it's not "rocket science", but you seem to not understand that all of these albums were still selling when they dropped new ones.

They didn't give Wayne better promotion. Tha Block Is Hot only had one proper single. Juve had two. And again, Wayne was new and NEEDED more promo.

It doesn't matter what I expected it to sell. The point is it didn't even move half of what the previous album moved. G Code didn't go double platinum. Wiki lies. The RIAA has that album at 1X platinum. You're in here copping pleas for whatever promo you felt Juve deserved and G Code was still a flop.

You used false information as an example.

In music, you don't brick and rebound on the same album. A brick is a brick.

They aren't on record saying "Rain" saved that album. They are on record saying "Rain" was the only song on the album they liked because it's the only one that sounds like an SWV song, which for the most part is true. That whole album was Hip Hop feature after Hip Hop feature and it didn't even sound like an SWV album. SWV flopped with this album. This is a group who came out the gate with a 3X platinum album and another that went platinum. Going gold for them was a flop.

You can't play the "too caught up in numbers" card when this whole exchange is about whether or not an album was a flop. Unless you're talking critical acclaim, the only other way to justify an album flopping is numbers.


AGAIN, please show me where a DMX video from a previous album, over-lapped the singles from the next album.
and AGAIN, please show me where a new artist got more promotion than the bread-winner of the label. we had this argument in a previous thread, and you refused to answer that question.
and wayne had two videos for TBIH, and the 2nd video was actually released on time. the problem is, it flopped.


IT ABSOLUTELY DOES MATTER what its expected to sell. you cant say its a flop because it didn't sell like 400 degreez, if it clearly wasn't designed to sell like 400 degreez.
and ive seen g-code listed as double platinum, way back before I even knew what Wikipedia was. regardless, whether it went 1x or 2x, its still not bad when you look at the big picture. im not coppin pleas for anything. youre just too much of an A&B thinker.

in 1999 IN REAL-TIME, that 2nd missy album was seen as a brick. she rebounded in 2000 and saved the album. but before that, the album was out for a long ass time and was seen as a brick, whether you like it or not. LOL. youre a missy fan, I get it. but you cant retroactively go back and pretend that this wasn't how the album was viewed in '99. I still have MTV mentioning it with the bricked albums on VHS before the hot boyz video came out.

SWV is indeed on record saying that Rain saved the album. go watch their Unsung. lol. AGAIN. this is more chit that I have in my collection, while youre just arguing just to argue out of emotion.
and nah, going gold isn't a flop. their 3x platinum album was ancient by that point, and we were a couple years removed from their second platinum album by that point, as well. and they were never a pop-friendly group.

this exchange is originally about missy. and yes, she is indeed an artist that's 'all about the numbers'. she was never an artist whose chit was hot in the streets and bootlegged like that. shes a crossover hybrid commercial rap singer. IT IS INDEED all about the sales for her.
 

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Yeah. Juvenile is a bad example because he didn’t drop in 97. And even dropping in summer 98 the album really picked when Back That dropped in late 98 or early 99.

But G Code was definitely a flop.


I didn't hear "back that thang up" until the summer of '99.

how was g-code a flop tho? because it had juvenile's name on it? the label completely dropped the ball, and he still went 1x or 2x plat.
 

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I’ve seen variations of everyone’s top 10 list that consist of like 20 songs that are all deserving of being in the top 10. I’ll try Top 5

Still DRE
Back That Azz Up
Big Pimpin
Quiet Storm
Down For My nikkaz


big pimpin was 2000.

technically, "down for my nikkaz" was 2000 as well.
 

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How frequent the occurrence wasn't the central issue. The central issue was Missy doing 131K and debuting at #10. My argument was that the placement was irrelevant as Britney Spears debuted at #1 with 121K. You were arguing that it was a rare occurrence, which even if that's the case, it doesn't disprove my argument:
Of course it’s the central issue :francis:
The placement would only be “irrelevant” if #1 albums were frequently selling less than 131k in 99. If 121k was the benchmark for a #1 album half the weeks in 1999 then I’d agree with you that the placement of Missy’s album was irrelevant and it was wrong to cite it as a factor in whether she flopped.

If 121k was the benchmark for a #1 album fewer than 10% of the time, then its an aberration and the placement of her album is relevant to whether the album flopped in 99.

Got it?
 

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Don't do that. You know I know I full well albums were selling that in one week prior to 1999. Only reason, I pointed out 1999 specifically is because I'm trying to show you that this was one of those sales weeks in which the number 1 was 650K and older albums were still peaking.
I did that because it’s irrelevant how much LB sold. The only way it would be relevant is if Missy had been number two that week with an extremely high number that would have been #1 on most any other week. Kind of like Dre with 2001.
Otherwise, LB could have sold 100 million records or one record more than #2. It’s irrelevant to Missy who is at #10.
Remove the LB, BSB and RM albums and Missy debuts at #7. Still a disappointing chart position.
 
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