youre confused.
slippin was the first video.
I remember "no love for me" being the lead single on the radio, towards the end of '98. but the video didn't come out til like the fall of '99.
YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999
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youre confused.
slippin was the first video.
I remember "no love for me" being the lead single on the radio, towards the end of '98. but the video didn't come out til like the fall of '99.
prolly cuz it felt more like a b-side.
I remember there were like 3 other DMX songs at the time that were getting more radio play up here, but slippin had the video.
That video did not drop in no Fall 1999. Makes no sense at all. By that point, they were going into And Then There Was X. "Slippin" might've been the first video, but I remember it being late '98 and then hearing "No Love" late late 1998/early 1999.
well juvenile is a bad example, seeing how 400 degreez sold the vast majority of its units in '99, and was still selling when g-code was released.
in fact, "back that thang up" was still on TRL everyday months after the g-code album came out. I doubt juvenile ever even appeared on TRL to promote either album, let alone g-code.
with that said, I wouldn't consider g-code a flop. it was just treated as a poorly handled b-side release.
not to mention they took a whole season off, not releasing a follow-up video. the 2nd video was released months after "u understand" fell out of rotation.
as for missy, the whole point of this argument is that missy didn't move those units in '99. her sales jumped up in 2000, when she finally scored a hit for the album.
im still baffled at why youre avoiding this. the album was eventually saved, and nobody is saying that she flopped overall. so why are you so bent out of shape and in denial about it?
of course it makes no sense. but that's how it happened. you should take it up with dee, waah & chevon. don't take it up with me. Im just the messenger.
sure, you remember HEARING "no love" on the radio in late 98/early '99, but I noticed you said nothing about when you actually saw the video.
so basically, you didn't see the video in real-time, which is understandable. it wasn't pushed.
but I actually do remember it in real-time. it was in rotation on rap city in the fall of '99.
"whats my name" came out right afterwards, towards the end of the year.
Juvenile isn't a bad example. He went from a multi-platinum rapper to a platinum rapper in less than a year at a time when his camp was the hottest (no pun). He was the biggest seller in the group, but was now on par with Wayne and B.G. sales wise. Arguably, none of those CMR albums were promoted like that outside of the singles, but those singles weren't bigger than the ones from 400 Degreez.
My point is Missy didn't sell no 1 million units in 2000. Most of her sales came from 1999 for her to get a certification at the top of 2000. This would be a different story, if the album wasn't certified until much later in 2000.
I have a link to the actual moving chart from her opening week up forward. Missy got her biggest bumps during the holiday season of 1999 like most albums do. Then it tapered off after New Years as most albums do, which would explain the early 2000 certification.
I'm not avoiding anything. I'm telling you that albums aren't necessarily saved. "Hot Boyz" dropped in 1999 and was the final single from the album, but the single version doesn't even appear on the album.
but his multi-platinum album was still selling the entire time that they promoted g-code. you cant say he went from multi-platinum to platinum when the multi-plat album is still moving units and over-shadowing it. lol. that doesn't even make sense.
missy would've never got that certification at the top of 2000, if it wasn't for "hot boyz" saving the album.
7 months for a crossover mainstream rap/r&b hybrid album, and not even a gold plaque in '99.
plenty of albums get saved by a late single. even some of my all-time favorites. take SWV's third album for example, which was saved by RAIN. im not gonna be in denial about it, just because theyre my favorite girl group.
it doesn't matter if the single version appears on the album. theres tons of examples of people buying an album because of a single, only to be disappointed that theres a different version of the single on the album. cmon now BE SMART.
but his multi-platinum album was still selling the entire time that they promoted g-code. you cant say he went from multi-platinum to platinum when the multi-plat album is still moving units and over-shadowing it. lol. that doesn't even make sense.
missy would've never got that certification at the top of 2000, if it wasn't for "hot boyz" saving the album.
7 months for a crossover mainstream rap/r&b hybrid album, and not even a gold plaque in '99.
plenty of albums get saved by a late single. even some of my all-time favorites. take SWV's third album for example, which was saved by RAIN. im not gonna be in denial about it, just because theyre my favorite girl group.
it doesn't matter if the single version appears on the album. theres tons of examples of people buying an album because of a single, only to be disappointed that theres a different version of the single on the album. cmon now BE SMART.
Breh, DMX released TWO multi-platinum albums in 1998 and another one in 1999. These albums were overshadowing each other. Juvenile couldn't even capitalize on the momentum and hype of 400 Degreez and do half of what that album did.
Again, that album was still in its album cycle when "Hot Boyz" dropped. It wasn't saved by it. The album was already headed in that direction.
I don't know why you're throwing a random SWV album in this discussion. "Rain" didn't save Release Some Tension. That album only went gold and "Rain" wasn't even the biggest single from that album. That album is a flop. They previously had a multi platinum album and a platinum album.
FOMFBOMB came out on the heels of IDAHIH.
sure, he didn't give us a chance to catch our breaths, but the IDAHIH singles didn't overlap the FOMFBOMB album(unless you count the ruff ryder anthem remix, which was strictly for the radio).
DMX basically did what master p had just did with ghetto d/mp da last don. only difference is the DMX albums fell in the same calendar year, so people make a bigger deal out of it. master p's chit was in the same fiscal school year tho. those are more comparable examples, than juvenile. they dropped the next albums right after "make em say ugh" and "ruff ryder anthem" died down. cash money didn't do that with juvenile. 400 degreez was still moving the units and still on TRL the whole time that g-code was being promoted. so you cant say he went from 'this to this', when all of this stuff is going on simultaneously. that's all im saying. its not rocket science.
not to mention that cash money did a bad job at promoting juvenile's album. they gave better promotion to wayne, who had done absolutely nothing up to that point.
they also did a wack job at picking the singles, and took the entire spring off before finally dropping the 2nd single in the summer, and not pushing it at all.
like how much did you really expect g-code to sell?? the fact that he went double platinum after all that, is a grand achievement if you ask me.
I brought up SWV as an example to show you how you don't have to be biased. just admit, missy caught a brick, but grabbed the rebound and hit a layup in the final seconds. that's wassup. theres nothing wrong with that.
and the point is, that SWV album wouldn't have went gold if it wasn't for RAIN, and they are on-record admitting that Rain saved the album. also, going gold is not a flop for an r&b act, unless youre on some commercial or crossover ish.
I don't know or care if it wasn't the highest charting single from that album. youre too caught up with numbers, which only tells half the story.
the stuff they had SWV doing at the time, turned a lot of their fans off. SWV themselves don't even particularly care for that album like that.
and lemme guess, the highest charting single was that bullchit they did with puff, where coko was dumbing down her vocals, singing like brandy over the "ten crack commandments" beat, right?
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Breh, you're not making any sense. DMX had three albums on the Billboard 200 at the same time. All of these albums were still moving units when he dropped the next one. It was all concurrent. Same with Juvenile's 400 Degreez. No, it's not "rocket science", but you seem to not understand that all of these albums were still selling when they dropped new ones.
They didn't give Wayne better promotion. Tha Block Is Hot only had one proper single. Juve had two. And again, Wayne was new and NEEDED more promo.
It doesn't matter what I expected it to sell. The point is it didn't even move half of what the previous album moved. G Code didn't go double platinum. Wiki lies. The RIAA has that album at 1X platinum. You're in here copping pleas for whatever promo you felt Juve deserved and G Code was still a flop.
You used false information as an example.
In music, you don't brick and rebound on the same album. A brick is a brick.
They aren't on record saying "Rain" saved that album. They are on record saying "Rain" was the only song on the album they liked because it's the only one that sounds like an SWV song, which for the most part is true. That whole album was Hip Hop feature after Hip Hop feature and it didn't even sound like an SWV album. SWV flopped with this album. This is a group who came out the gate with a 3X platinum album and another that went platinum. Going gold for them was a flop.
You can't play the "too caught up in numbers" card when this whole exchange is about whether or not an album was a flop. Unless you're talking critical acclaim, the only other way to justify an album flopping is numbers.
But the Backstreet Boys and Ricky Martin albums had been out for a couple months at that point. It wasn’t as though this was the first week those two albums started selling.
Take Limp Biskit out of the picture (of course she’s not outselling them on their first week, not to mention the expectation for her wasn’t to debut at #1 anyway, so it doesn’t matter if the #1 album did 650k or 300k) and Missy drops to #9 with her “respectable, if unspectacular” first week numbers.
They weren’t comparing her numbers to Limp Bizkit. Nowhere in that article does it say 650k is the benchmark for spectacular. You just made that up.
In any event, “respectable” and “respectable, if unspectacular” are two very different things.
I’ll give you X since that was so close to what Missy sold (although slightly more, right?). Add that to the Britney debut week. That’s 2 examples. 169 and less than 200 were significantly more than what Missy did.
So two weeks out of 52. Any more examples?
It’s the whole point. In the vast majority of cases an artist’s highest sales week is the first week. It’s just basic logic that a debut should outsell week 24.