YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[JustCKing]

It’s the whole point. In the vast majority of cases an artist’s highest sales week is the first week. It’s just basic logic that a debut should outsell week 24.

Not if they've never sold that amount before. You can't just expect an artist to do numbers they never did prior just because.

I’ll give you X since that was so close to what Missy sold (although slightly more, right?). Add that to the Britney debut week. That’s 2 examples. 169 and less than 200 were significantly more than what Missy did.
So two weeks out of 52. Any more examples?

The whole point of it is that even in 1999 when albums were doing 650K in a week, 130K or even less (since Britney started the year off at #1 with 121K) was enough to score a #1 debut. Even the article stated that in normal times. Britney's 121K got her a #1 because there wasn't really competition THAT week. Same goes for X. Same goes for the Santanna numbers. When Missy's album came out, she was out here against a Limp Bizkit album that was did 650K in a week and a slew of albums that were still doing what many artists were doing in week 1 after being out for months. Shania Twain was still in the Top 10 with an album that came out in 1997 until that week.

 

[JustCKing]

It’s the whole point. In the vast majority of cases an artist’s highest sales week is the first week. It’s just basic logic that a debut should outsell week 24.

Not if they've never sold that amount before. You can't just expect an artist to do numbers they never did prior just because.

I’ll give you X since that was so close to what Missy sold (although slightly more, right?). Add that to the Britney debut week. That’s 2 examples. 169 and less than 200 were significantly more than what Missy did.
So two weeks out of 52. Any more examples?

The whole point of it is that even in 1999 when albums were doing 650K in a week, 130K or even less (since Britney started the year off at #1 with 121K) was enough to score a #1 debut. Even the article stated that in normal times. Britney's 121K got her a #1 because there wasn't really competition THAT week. Same goes for X. Same goes for the Santanna numbers. When Missy's album came out, she was out here against a Limp Bizkit album that was did 650K in a week and a slew of albums that were still doing what many artists were doing in week 1 after being out for months. Shania Twain was still in the Top 10 with an album that came out in 1997 until that week.

 

[JustCKing]

They weren’t comparing her numbers to Limp Bizkit. Nowhere in that article does it say 650k is the benchmark for spectacular. You just made that up.
In any event, “respectable” and “respectable, if unspectacular” are two very different things.

Of course, respectable and unspectacular aren't synonymous. Respectable = decent. In any event, 131K is decent numbers, but they aren't spectacular. In the manner that they used it, respectable and unspectacular were synonymous. And yes, 650K would be spectacular. So by comparison, Missy's numbers were decent. And no they don't have to outright call 650K the benchmark. Being that the number 1 album for that week sold 650K, it was the benchmark by default, which is why mention of Missy actually reaching the Top 5 with 131K was stated in the article:

No
doubt execs at her label, Elektra,figured that for this time of
year that kind of tally would’ve earned hera top-five spot. During
normal times, yes. But not when the latest fromLimp Bizkit, BSB and
Martin sell a combined 1.1 million records in oneweek.

1) Her numbers were compared to Limp Bizkit, BSB, and Ricky Martin in regard to why 131K wasn't enough to score a Top 5 spot, were they not.

2) Key words, "this time of year" and "normal times" vs. the reality of it all (the top 3 entries selling 1.1 million records combined)

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Uhhh this is hard

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I’ve seen variations of everyone’s top 10 list that consist of like 20 songs that are all deserving of being in the top 10. I’ll try Top 5

Still DRE
Back That Azz Up
Big Pimpin
Quiet Storm
Down For My nikkaz

 

[mobbinfms]

Its bot a piece of evidence because a chart position doesn't really tell you anything other than how albums ranked.

That in and of itself is relevant.

 

[mobbinfms]

Without knowing the sales of each individual, you can't draw any conclusions from a chart position. For example, one could look at a chart and see a Limp Bizkit album at number one and not know that album sold 650K and see a Britney Spears album at #1 and not know it sold 121K.

Sure you can. A #10 debut is a decline from a #3 debut. You can then further explore the numbers and other evidence to see what weight that should be given in coming to a conclusions.

 

[mobbinfms]

Those factors do apply to Missy. Everybody that dropped in 1999 who also dropped in 1997 with Missy all sold considerably less in 1999. Missy was the only artist outside of Jay Z that didn't do worse. She was selling nearly the same amount of records. You had:

Puff going from 7X platinum in 1997 to platinum in 1999

Mase went from 4X platinum in 1997 to gold in 1999

TRU went from 2X platinum in 1997 to gold in 1999

Will Smith went from 9X platinum in 1997 to 2X platinum in 1999

Master P had a triple platinum album in 1997 and a gold album in 1999.

Juvenile had an album that 4X platinum that dropped in 1998, but by 1999 only went platinum with G Code

^^^ those are massive flops. Missy Elliott went from 1.2 million records to 1.068 million. That's less than 1/10 of a change vs. those other artists doing less than 1/2 of what they were doing.

You completely missed the point.
Re read the post that I referred to for the reasons why Bad Boy and No Limit and Will flopped. Juvi just flopped. He should have sold more.
What are specific reasons why a Missy album with Timbo on the boards would r result in a big single and higher album sales? Was Timb’s sound played out in 99? Was Missy played out? Was it something else about the music?

 

[mobbinfms]

and naw, its not "his" criteria. its the general criteria PERIOD. youre trying to downplay what he was saying by chalking it up to being just "his" criteria.

@JustCKing you never did explain why my criteria wasn’t comprehensive. You asserted that there was additional criteria, but when I pushed you on it, you reverted back to saying that album sales after the album cycle was the only criteria. I asked you about that yesterday and so far you’ve ignored it.

Can you let us know if there is additional criteria? And if there isn’t, why did you post repeatedly that there was?

 

[mobbinfms]

youre confused.

slippin was the first video.

I remember "no love for me" being the lead single on the radio, towards the end of '98. but the video didn't come out til like the fall of '99.

This is how I remember it. Not specific dates or anything, but the No Love video dropping waaaaaay after the fact.

 

[mobbinfms]

well juvenile is a bad example, seeing how 400 degreez sold the vast majority of its units in '99, and was still selling when g-code was released.

Yeah. Juvenile is a bad example because he didn’t drop in 97. And even dropping in summer 98 the album really picked when Back That dropped in late 98 or early 99.

But G Code was definitely a flop.

 

[mobbinfms]

for missy, the whole point of this argument is that missy didn't move those units in '99. her sales jumped up in 2000, when she finally scored a hit for the album.
im still baffled at why youre avoiding this. the album was eventually saved, and nobody is saying that she flopped overall. so why are you so bent out of shape and in denial about it?

I reviewed the Billboard 200 chart. Her sales steadily declined in 99 and the album dropped completely off the Top 200 in late December or early January. It came back on shortly thereafter and went back as high as 130 and charted for another 3-4 months. That was the Hot Boys boost. That is the read she got the platinum plaque.

 

[mobbinfms]

I have a link to the actual moving chart from her opening week up forward. Missy got her biggest bumps during the holiday season of 1999 like most albums do. Then it tapered off after New Years as most albums do, which would explain the early 2000 certification.

I reviewed he chart as well. The album fell off the chart the last week of December and re entered the first week of January.

I surmise that based on the success of Hot Boys the label pressed up and shipped out additional copies of the album which got them the platinum certification.

 

[mobbinfms]

theres tons of examples of people buying an album because of a single, only to be disappointed that theres a different version of the single on the album. cmon now BE SMART.

Classic label fukkery.

 

[mobbinfms]

Again, that album was still in its album cycle when "Hot Boyz" dropped. It wasn't saved by it. The album was already headed in that direction.

This is demonstrably false. The album steadily declined in sales until it fell completely off the chart. There is no platinum plaque for that album without Hot Boyz.