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Why don't you post it?
YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999
- Thread starter Wacky D
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Why don't you post it?
The sales spike era. Record sales as a whole were higher. Just with hip hop, there were far more platinum albums.
So you agree with me? Sales were higher in 99? Otherwise why can’t we compare the two time periods?
You’re conveniently leaving out relevant information that doesn’t suit your narrative.
That’s three albums, but Missy didn’t debut at #4. She debuted at #10.
She got outsold by the Wild Wild West Soundtrack which had been out for a month.
She got outsold by the Tarzan Soundtrack (which wasn’t a debut for the week).
She got outsold by a Sarah Maclaclan album, again, not a debut for that week.
She even got outsold by Britney Spears first album which had been out for six months at that point
KCi and Jojo, who also debuted that week, also outsold her.
But but but wait it gets worse, she even got outsold by the Austin Powers Soundtrack that wasn’t even a debut week for it
So
What do you mean what else does there need to be?
You’re the one who claimed you had additional criteria
So why did we have the whole back and forth exchange on this point if there is no additional criteria?
You’re conveniently leaving out relevant information that doesn’t suit your narrative.
That’s three albums, but Missy didn’t debut at #4. She debuted at #10.
She got outsold by the Wild Wild West Soundtrack which had been out for a month.
She got outsold by the Tarzan Soundtrack (which wasn’t a debut for the week).
She got outsold by a Sarah Maclaclan album, again, not a debut for that week.
She even got outsold by Britney Spears first album which had been out for six months at that point
KCi and Jojo, who also debuted that week, also outsold her.
But but but wait it gets worse, she even got outsold by the Austin Powers Soundtrack that wasn’t even a debut week for it
Sowith the duck tales narratives about that week being some powerhouse.
It was a powerhouse week vs. 1997. This was acknowledged by the industry:
Key words: normal times, which this was not.
And the Soundtracks you are mentioning had hit singles from Madonna and Lenny Kravitz ("American Woman") both from Austin Powers. The Wild Wild West Soundtrack had Will Smith's "Wild Wild West", which was a #1 hit and an Enrique Iglesias single "Balimos", which was another #1. K-Ci and Jojo were coming off "All My Life", which was massive and in 1999 they had "Life" from the Life Soundtrack, which was a huge song and "It's Real" was a hit too.
And you're really comparing Da Real World to Britney Spears commercially? You do realize that album dropped in late 1998 and was still getting certified by 2000 and sold like 11-12 million copies.
When you talk about a sales spike era, you have no idea what you are talking about. In Hip Hop, yeah, you had a lot of albums going platinum. Outside of Hip Hop these teeny bopper solo artists and boy bands were going DIAMOND CONSISTENTLY.
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Except this has never happened. Every other album has been a mixed bag.
Missy went platinum and while they were more platinum albums in 1999 a lot of those albums were still selling considerably less than the albums from 1997. If you look at the list from 1997, most of those albums were multi-platinum and not just platinum.
Overall sales were higher that has no bearing on what an individual artist was doing in 1999 because there other factors to consider. Not everybody was going platinum in 1999. It was just a higher number of albums going platinum. Look back at the list from 1997. Look at the number of multi-platinum albums from 1997 vs the number of multi platinum albums from 1999.
I didn’t ignore it. I wasn’t aware of the specific numbers when I posted that, just the chart positions.
Looking at the numbers she should have outsold every album on that list up to (and possibly including) Ricky Martin.
She should have outsold Wild Wild West, it had been out for about a month. This was her debut week.
She should have outsold Austin Powers, it wasn’t the debut week for it. It was for her.
I would not expect KCi and Jojo to outsell Missy, but hey did have a hit like you said.
Are you being serious about Britney? The album had been out 6 months! 6 months! Millions of potential customers excluded because they already bought it. YES. I absolutely expected Missy to outsell Britney on her debut week. I’m not comparing Britney to Missy and there’s overall commercial appeal. One week. Missy should have sold more than her. That’s embarrassing.
Are you saying Boy Bands sold more in 97 than in 99? Sales were up across the board. Missy was an artist with broad commercial appeal. This isn’t Mobb Deep we are talking about. Her first week sales were disappointing. Further evidence of a 99 flop.
Breh, do you not get it. Sales don't work like that. The article flat out says, on a normal week, Missy's numbers would have gotten her a Top 5 debut. Article even calls the numbers respectable. And yes, this article holds more weight than you or I. Why? They do this for a living.
Britney Spears sold 121K in its first week, which scored her a #1 on the charts. Let that sink in for a moment. She went on to sell 10 million copies in total after 47 weeks on the charts. And you're comparing her to Missy Elliott. Now look at Britney's first week. 121K was enough to get her a #1. This was with a single that went #1 the same time the album went #1.
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Breh, chart positions don't determine a flop and if you weren't aware of the specific numbers, you shouldn't even been debating this to begin with. The whole point of this argument was that in real time, no one considered Da Real World a flop. In real time, I'm willing to bet you ain't even care what a Missy album sold. And if you did, considering you've pretty much said as much, you wanted her to flop, so you'd consider anything that wasn't astronomically huge a flop because that's what haters do.
You left off two multiplatinum albums from 99.
Willenium and Born Again.
Both double plat.
Also there were many double albums in 97 and only one in 99.
So it’s closer than you think.
I acknowledge your point, but I don’t see how you can extrapolate from that that sales across the board wouldn’t be expected to be higher for hip hop artists in 99.
ICP and Cypress also went platinum in 99. (ICP did in 97 as well).
Here’s your list again for ease of reference.