Young black males need to stop thinking about traditional colleges

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Ooooooo

Where was that article about degrees that failed the break even point... there were a LOT of degrees that never recouped the costs over a high school grad

Black people will never have power without money, we will never have money if we don't make choices to make it... just going to college isnt enough, people have to choose the right degrees. And there is def a lot of work in the vocational realm, so people dismissing it sound pretty stupid

 

[Serious]

Honestly, I don't think anyone is dismissing trade schools. Imo, the best solution would be a hybrid situation..

For example,

You can gain a vocational degree through a Community College, but they still make you take certain classes. These classes, may help you lead to an innovative way of doing things or marketing / mastering your skills for the future......

http://www.piercecollege.edu/departments/industrial_technology/

There's no such thing as the right degree. The economy is bad, and people from all demographics are hurting.....

 

[theworldismine13]

Ooooooo

Where was that article about degrees that failed the break even point... there were a LOT of degrees that never recouped the costs over a high school grad

Black people will never have power without money, we will never have money if we don't make choices to make it... just going to college isnt enough, people have to choose the right degrees. And there is def a lot of work in the vocational realm, so people dismissing it sound pretty stupid

nobody is dismissing trade school, im dismissing the idea that young black males should focus in trade school, people shoudl do whatever the fuk the want, a key element in success is personal preference and creativity, so thats why its better to say people should do whatever they want, who are you to tell a person that working on sewage systems for 100K is better than shuffling papers for 100K?

as far as the high school grad thing, it doesnt apply to this, in those studies college grads and trade school are the same thing, they are both post secondary and they both have an opportunity cost

and as i appointed out in that thread, this opportunity cost is an abstract idea, its not really about cash money, if you go back in the thread dude was talking about its better to work at mcdonalds and save your money then it is to go to college, becuase of the abstract notion of opportunity cost, which is fine, but in terms of cash money the college graduate makes more money

so in other words, its stupid to say college is a waste because of cash, but then your argument is based on an abstract economic concept called opportunity cost that has nothing to do with hard cash

almost across the board college grad will make more money, period, and thats not even counting the abstract opportunity that arise from simply having a college degree, its virtually impossible to reach high levels in corporate america or in politics without a college degree, so by telling young black males to focus on other things beside college, you are suggesting that young black males shut themselves out from corporate america and politics

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nobody is dismissing trade school, im dismissing the idea that young black males should focus in trade school, people shoudl do whatever the fuk the want, a key element in success is personal preference and creativity, so thats why its better to say people should do whatever they want, who are you to tell a person that working on sewage systems for 100K is better than shuffling papers for 100K?

Because outside of a few degrees, the odds are way higher that someone will be making 100K... shyt, employed PERIOD with a trade than an ambiguous inapplicable degree. Demand for skilled labor is way higher than demand for a history major, check the starting salaries

so in other words, its stupid to say college is a waste because of cash, but then your argument is based on an abstract economic concept called opportunity cost that has nothing to do with hard cash

Theres nothing abstract about it... there are quite a few career paths that can generate decent cake w/o a college degree. IT, insurance, sales, customer service being biggies. You really mean to tell us someone w/4 years experience in a networking/IT capacity and certifications would be worse off than a fresh college grad w/debt and a degree in an unemployable field of study?

almost across the board college grad will make more money, period, and thats not even counting the abstract opportunity that arise from simply having a college degree, its virtually impossible to reach high levels in corporate america or in politics without a college degree, so by telling young black males to focus on other things beside college, you are suggesting that young black males shut themselves out from corporate america and politics

Now its ALMOST? Whats the % of folks who wont?

And what are these abstract opportunities you speak of?

What high levels are you talking about? Upper management? CEOs? What percent of people period reach those levels? We should be focusing on building wealth by any legal means necessary, and that doesn't necessarily involve being a dept head, it means being smart with $$$$$

I think its dishonest and biased to keep pushing college over everything else (which you do despite your weak "people can do what they want" catchall). College is an option, trade school is an option. We need to remove the stigma associated with trades... machinists, welders, electricians, these guys are very smart, smarter than a lot of college grads in my experience... and we need to stop sucking corporate America & academia's dikks. Everything is just a different avenue to the same goal so your fellating of college and corporate America is unnecessary.

 

[Darts]

^^^ Nice

 

[Marvel]

Because outside of a few degrees, the odds are way higher that someone will be making 100K... shyt, employed PERIOD with a trade than an ambiguous inapplicable degree. Demand for skilled labor is way higher than demand for a history major, check the starting salaries


Theres nothing abstract about it... there are quite a few career paths that can generate decent cake w/o a college degree. IT, insurance, sales, customer service being biggies. You really mean to tell us someone w/4 years experience in a networking/IT capacity and certifications would be worse off than a fresh college grad w/debt and a degree in an unemployable field of study?


Now its ALMOST? Whats the % of folks who wont?

And what are these abstract opportunities you speak of?

What high levels are you talking about? Upper management? CEOs? What percent of people period reach those levels? We should be focusing on building wealth by any legal means necessary, and that doesn't necessarily involve being a dept head, it means being smart with $$$$$

I think its dishonest and biased to keep pushing college over everything else (which you do despite your weak "people can do what they want" catchall). College is an option, trade school is an option. We need to remove the stigma associated with trades... machinists, welders, electricians, these guys are very smart, smarter than a lot of college grads in my experience... and we need to stop sucking corporate America & academia's dikks. Everything is just a different avenue to the same goal so your fellating of college and corporate America is unnecessary.

And I know many white people making 100k+ with no degree or trade school ed. The problem is bigger than education, we do not have the connects or avenues to get some of these kush jobs that white people get.

I know as an educated black man with two masters degrees, a white guy with just a bachelors has a better chance of moving up the corporate latter. But I got reimbursed for my masters and plan on teaching at a junior and community college part time for extra income.

I also decided to create my own lane. I started my own small business while I work at my current job. We need to start thinking about creating our own businesses more and not just a barbershop or soul food restaurant. There is POWER in ownership, if you don't own anything, you can't call the shots. Looking to invest in real estate once I get my bread up.

If you can't go to school, at least read some books, get on Khan Academy. You will be surprised what ideas will come to mind. I know it sounds cliche, but knowledge is power. We spend too much time being ignorant as a people.

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[Serious]

I also decided to create my own lane. I started my own small business while I work at my current job. We need to start thinking about creating our own businesses more and not just a barbershop or soul food restaurant. There is POWER in ownership, if you don't own anything, you can't call the shots. Looking to invest in real estate once I get my bread up.

If you can't go to school, at least read some books, get on Khan Academy. You will be surprised what ideas will come to mind. I know it sounds cliche, but knowledge is power. We spend too much time being ignorant as a people.

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Honestly, I was always under the impression that this was the point of college, not necessarily job training....

Heck, I came up with a few business ideas during my history courses...

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[theworldismine13]

Because outside of a few degrees, the odds are way higher that someone will be making 100K... shyt, employed PERIOD with a trade than an ambiguous inapplicable degree. Demand for skilled labor is way higher than demand for a history major, check the starting salaries

but that is simply not true, what you are saying is a distortion, you are taking the least salaried major and comparing it to a highly in demand skilled labor job

if i was as stupid as you i would reply by simply take the highest paid salary of a college graduate and compare to a skilled labor job that isnt in demand like nail technician

but instead what i would do is take the average, and on average the college major makes more money than a skilled laborer, if you have facts that contradict that then post it

here are the stats for skilled labor

Skilled Labor Salaries | Simply Hired

here are the stats for college majors

StudentsReview: Salaries by Major

so the idea that skilled laborers make more money than college graduates is a lie, of course there are exceptions, but you cant use exceptions to make a rule

Theres nothing abstract about it... there are quite a few career paths that can generate decent cake w/o a college degree.You really mean to tell us someone w/4 years experience in a networking/IT capacity and certifications would be worse off than a fresh college grad w/debt and a degree in an unemployable field of study?

how is opportunity cost not abstract? the calculation that showed that its better to just have a high school degree are based on subtracting the opportunity cost from the salary of a college graduate, if you dont understand that then you didnt understand what you read

it wasnt saying that high school graduates make more money, i think you are confused

IT

IT is a fine career, but IT usually requires going to school and there is limit to how far you can go in corporate america and in politics with an IT degree, but its definitely a good career choice and im not knocking it

insurance, sales,

another fine career, but only for people that have a knack for sales

customer service

what the fuk is you smoking, customer service??? customer service is hands down one of the worst jobs and least paying jobs in america GTFOH, customer service jobs are only good as a part time job when you are in college

You really mean to tell us someone w/4 years experience in a networking/IT capacity and certifications would be worse off than a fresh college grad w/debt and a degree in an unemployable field of study?

i never said any such thing, what i said is people should do whatever the hell they want but college graduates make more money overall

you need to compare the average and you have to take into account future opportunities that open up with a college degree, its virtually impossible to get into management in a multinational corporation with an IT degree

Now its ALMOST? Whats the % of folks who wont?

same thing that happens to people that dont go to college and end up broke

And what are these abstract opportunities you speak of?

politics and multinational corporations

What high levels are you talking about? Upper management? CEOs? What percent of people period reach those levels?

about the same percent of plumbers that make 100K

We should be focusing on building wealth by any legal means necessary,

yeah

and that doesn't necessarilyinvolve being a dept head, it means being smart with $$$$$

but what is wrong with being a dept head? especially if you are getting paid well? are you saying young black males should focus on being plumbers and carpenters and not try to be managers in multinational corporations

so a black male being a dept head is a bad thing?

I think its dishonest and biased to keep pushing college over everything else (which you do despite your weak "people can do what they want" catchall). College is an option, trade school is an option.

college is more important than anything else because that is the key corporate america and politics which is where the real money and power lies

but i have always said people should do whatever they want, and trade school is an option, if that is what you are into and as long as you realize that trade school is more expensive than public universities and you probably wont make as much money and your future options will be limited

 

[theworldismine13]

and overall if we agree that engineers and doctors make the most money that why isn't the title of this thread 'young black males should focus on engineering and medicine'

That's the only title that would make any sense

you know why that isn't the title? becuase thread starter doesn't know what the hell he is talking about and has a small vision of what black males are capable of

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

but that is simply not true, what you are saying is a distortion, you are taking the least salaried major and comparing it to a highly in demand skilled labor job

if i was as stupid as you i would reply by simply take the highest paid salary of a college graduate and compare to a skilled labor job that isnt in demand like nail technician

What skilled labor jobs are not in demand? You calling being a beautician a skill

but instead what i would do is take the average, and on average the college major makes more money than a skilled laborer, if you have facts that contradict that then post it

here are the stats for skilled labor

Skilled Labor Salaries | Simply Hired

here are the stats for college majors

StudentsReview: Salaries by Major

so the idea that skilled laborers make more money than college graduates is a lie, of course there are exceptions, but you cant use exceptions to make a rule

This doesn't take into account demand. The job market is saturated w/unskilled college grads, but there is a glut of skilled workers. Plus your stats are looking at everyone working now, which includes the folks who

- were able to cash in on the college degree "bubble"- i.e. the people who got a history degree in the 70s/80s and were able to get a great job from that

- were skilled workers during the same period bytch slapped by outsourcing and automation

Its a static birds eye view which doesn't speak to what I'm saying.

Skilled Workers In Demand As Companies Face Talent Shortages

how is opportunity cost not abstract? the calculation that showed that its better to just have a high school degree are based on subtracting the opportunity cost from the salary of a college graduate, if you dont understand that then you didnt understand what you read

it wasnt saying that high school graduates make more money, i think you are confused

If it wasn't saying high school grads made more money, then how was it saying it was "better"? In the context of lifetime earnings, how is not making more money over a lifetime "better"? What do you think they were saying?

IT is a fine career, but IT usually requires going to school and there is limit to how far you can go in corporate america and in politics with an IT degree, but its definitely a good career choice and im not knocking it

USUALLY, but not always... I know a lot of brays with no degrees, they started out in customer service/help desk capacities and moved up from there. A lot of them didn't need corporate America per se beyond using it as a stepping stone; i.e. just to get experience and branch out to start their own consulting & contractor companies (or working in a freelance capacity).

And you keep talking about "how far you can go in corporate America"... lets nip that shyt in the bud, most people at best will become mid level managers, but again there are only so many of those positions, but various other avenues to making that same kind of money, even without a degree. You keep harking back to this corporate America shyt like its the only ticket, there are brays getting it in different ways.

another fine career, but only for people that have a knack for sales

Right, but again, a legit alternative to the way you push

what the fuk is you smoking, customer service??? customer service is hands down one of the worst jobs and least paying jobs in america GTFOH, customer service jobs are only good as a part time job when you are in college

Its a stepping stone, and a door into the corporate America you can't seem to keep out of your mouth. Again I know dudes who started in customer service and branched out to other parts of a company. Smart ones use their insights into problems with the product to create value

i never said any such thing, what i said is people should do whatever the hell they want but college graduates make more money overall

Again, the game is changing, demand for many degrees is in decline, demand for many skills is on the rise.

You keep throwing out that college majors make more money, but you don't look at who that includes (folks w/a lot of experience who were able to get solid jobs with degrees that kids today cannot) or how the game is changing.

you need to compare the average and you have to take into account future opportunities that open up with a college degree, its virtually impossible to get into management in a multinational corporation with an IT degree

U ever hear of an IT/network manager? What kind of degrees do you think they have? And what "multinational corporation" doesn't have a huge IT department?

politics and multinational corporations

Bruh you do realize these are far from the only avenues to six figure salaries?

Politics? You do realize to make it as a politician you need capital to invest to campaign, right? And if you are not a politician but are working in politics, you are either working in the public sector or on a nonprofit campaign trail (in other words, NOT AT ALL balling)

Plus if you look at politics, more and more its being overtaken by candidates with the wealth and time to invest in campaigning. Black people have neither

And you just can't get that multinational corporation out of your mouth huh You just can't imagine how someone might make 6 figures without that corporate paycheck

about the same percent of plumbers that make 100K

Proof

but what is wrong with being a dept head? especially if you are getting paid well? are you saying young black males should focus on being plumbers and carpenters and not try to be managers in multinational corporations

so a black male being a dept head is a bad thing?

I'm saying, unlike you claim to, people should figure out what they want to do and CAN do, and focus on THAT. Black people don't have the luxury of being able to play the POLITICS game that many people do to work up that management ladder, which is why I keep pushing that we should focus on SKILLS. My parents said the best thing to do in this country is to get something nobody can take from you, be it a license to practice something, a skill, a degree, whatever. For all intents and purposes a management position is a gift... and over the last couple of decades companies were very GENEROUS. These days its a lot harder, and with the economic climate its a gift companies are more than willing to take away or play favorites with.

college is more important than anything else because that is the key corporate america and politics which is where the real money and power lies

The avg college grad is not some fukking executive millionaire, you are talking like everyone who goes to college will be on some 1% shyt

but i have always said people should do whatever they want,

But college is more important than anythign right?

and trade school is an option, if that is what you are into and as long as you realize that trade school is more expensive than public universities and you probably wont make as much money and your future options will be limited

Bruh...

A lot of trades can be learned at community colleges. Welding + machining are the most high demand trades I can think of, and both require maybe 2 years of classes + hands on learning. There are a lot of trade schools scamming, but so what? Even the most expensive trade school is only like 2 years, and has lower annual tuition than the most expensive liberal arts colleges. So why you argue that I conveniently pick things to compare and then compare the worst trade school route with the best college route is beyond me.

Ill just sum up like this man. You need to get off corporate America's dikk. And you need to realize the game has changed. You are talking like its the 80s Black people need MONEY, and a LOT of degrees are no longer the ticket. Manufacturing is beginning to reshore and there is growing demand for skilled labor (unlike for history majors), and brothers should know all that when deciding what route to choose. THAT'S IT!

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Ill put it like this bruh. If you got the chance to speak to some high school kids on some career shyt, what would you tell em? What would you say?

 

[Darts]

What skilled labor jobs are not in demand? You calling being a beautician a skill



This doesn't take into account demand. The job market is saturated w/unskilled college grads, but there is a glut of skilled workers. Plus your stats are looking at everyone working now, which includes the folks who

- were able to cash in on the college degree "bubble"- i.e. the people who got a history degree in the 70s/80s and were able to get a great job from that

- were skilled workers during the same period bytch slapped by outsourcing and automation

Its a static birds eye view which doesn't speak to what I'm saying.

Skilled Workers In Demand As Companies Face Talent Shortages



If it wasn't saying high school grads made more money, then how was it saying it was "better"? In the context of lifetime earnings, how is not making more money over a lifetime "better"? What do you think they were saying?



USUALLY, but not always... I know a lot of brays with no degrees, they started out in customer service/help desk capacities and moved up from there. A lot of them didn't need corporate America per se beyond using it as a stepping stone; i.e. just to get experience and branch out to start their own consulting & contractor companies (or working in a freelance capacity).

And you keep talking about "how far you can go in corporate America"... lets nip that shyt in the bud, most people at best will become mid level managers, but again there are only so many of those positions, but various other avenues to making that same kind of money, even without a degree. You keep harking back to this corporate America shyt like its the only ticket, there are brays getting it in different ways.


Right, but again, a legit alternative to the way you push


Its a stepping stone, and a door into the corporate America you can't seem to keep out of your mouth. Again I know dudes who started in customer service and branched out to other parts of a company. Smart ones use their insights into problems with the product to create value


Again, the game is changing, demand for many degrees is in decline, demand for many skills is on the rise.

You keep throwing out that college majors make more money, but you don't look at who that includes (folks w/a lot of experience who were able to get solid jobs with degrees that kids today cannot) or how the game is changing.





U ever hear of an IT/network manager? What kind of degrees do you think they have? And what "multinational corporation" doesn't have a huge IT department?

Bruh you do realize these are far from the only avenues to six figure salaries?

Politics? You do realize to make it as a politician you need capital to invest to campaign, right? And if you are not a politician but are working in politics, you are either working in the public sector or on a nonprofit campaign trail (in other words, NOT AT ALL balling)

Plus if you look at politics, more and more its being overtaken by candidates with the wealth and time to invest in campaigning. Black people have neither

And you just can't get that multinational corporation out of your mouth huh You just can't imagine how someone might make 6 figures without that corporate paycheck


Proof



I'm saying, unlike you claim to, people should figure out what they want to do and CAN do, and focus on THAT. Black people don't have the luxury of being able to play the POLITICS game that many people do to work up that management ladder, which is why I keep pushing that we should focus on SKILLS. My parents said the best thing to do in this country is to get something nobody can take from you, be it a license to practice something, a skill, a degree, whatever. For all intents and purposes a management position is a gift... and over the last couple of decades companies were very GENEROUS. These days its a lot harder, and with the economic climate its a gift companies are more than willing to take away or play favorites with.



The avg college grad is not some fukking executive millionaire, you are talking like everyone who goes to college will be on some 1% shyt

But college is more important than anythign right?


Bruh...

A lot of trades can be learned at community colleges. Welding + machining are the most high demand trades I can think of, and both require maybe 2 years of classes + hands on learning. There are a lot of trade schools scamming, but so what? Even the most expensive trade school is only like 2 years, and has lower annual tuition than the most expensive liberal arts colleges. So why you argue that I conveniently pick things to compare and then compare the worst trade school route with the best college route is beyond me.

Ill just sum up like this man. You need to get off corporate America's dikk. And you need to realize the game has changed. You are talking like its the 80s Black people need MONEY, and a LOT of degrees are no longer the ticket. Manufacturing is beginning to reshore and there is growing demand for skilled labor (unlike for history majors), and brothers should know all that when deciding what route to choose. THAT'S IT!

I want to give u this pos rep n dap for completely dismantling this nikka lol...especially on that tripe about "corporations and politics" being the only way...had me throughout the thread like

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I agree with op. Although I don't think we should not stop thinking about traditional college all together. We should stop thinking of it as the only way to success. College Guarantees you nothing but debt. These days college grads are having problems getting employed, or making enough to pay off college bills. Trade school and comunity college are cheaper and a way to get your foot in the door. Experience and skill trump education these days, Cause there are allot of dummies graduating from college. So if you can learn a trade and work hard at it you may he better off than spending four years spending money with no guarantee you will get it back.

 

[theworldismine13]

What skilled labor jobs are not in demand? You calling being a beautician a skill

how is a beautician not skilled labor? what exactly are you calling skilled labor? you cant just conveniently leave out skilled labor that you feel is undesirable and dont fit into your story

i already gave you the stats about skilled labor Skilled Labor Salaries | Simply Hired

skilled laborers do not make more money than college graduates, that is bullshyt, what you are doing is fraud, you are taking a few careers that do pay a lot and then extrapolating that to all skilled laborers

This doesn't take into account demand. The job market is saturated w/unskilled college grads, but there is a glut of skilled workers. Plus your stats are looking at everyone working now, which includes the folks who

those are current statistics from actual job listings on Job Search Made Simple | Simply Hired which actually is a search engine that searches all job boards

so its not outdated, those stats for skilled laborers are the latest stats and it clearly shows that skilled laborers do not get paid a lot

- were able to cash in on the college degree "bubble"- i.e. the people who got a history degree in the 70s/80s and were able to get a great job from that

history majors not getting hired has to do with a recession, which is a temporary business cycle, not becuase of a college degree "bubble"

- were skilled workers during the same period bytch slapped by outsourcing and automation

skilled workers are still being outsourced

did you even read your own link it says this

Skilled Workers In Demand As Companies Face Talent Shortages

Higher pay, at least for now, is not a common response to the talent shortage. Only 8 percent of global employers are boosting starting salaries, and only 7 percent are offering better benefits or signing bonuses.

so yes its true that UPS is hiring but they are still paying you 8$ an hour

If it wasn't saying high school grads made more money, then how was it saying it was "better"? In the context of lifetime earnings, how is not making more money over a lifetime "better"? What do you think they were saying?

i just explained it, the study was subtracting opportunity costs from the income of college grads

google "opportunity costs" since you obviously never went to college or took an economics course, maybe its in kahn academy

what is "better" is an individual choice, people have to decide for themselves but that study was not saying that high school grads make more money that college grads

USUALLY, but not always... I know a lot of brays with no degrees, they started out in customer service/help desk capacities and moved up from there. A lot of them didn't need corporate America per se beyond using it as a stepping stone; i.e. just to get experience and branch out to start their own consulting & contractor companies (or working in a freelance capacity).

breh, im not here to trade stories with you, i know people that graduate with a psychology degree and make 6 figures shuffling papers

we can trade stories all day

but anybody knows that customer service are bullshyt jobs

while we are at it, you can also start at McDonalds, Walmart and UPS and work your way up to assistant manager in corporate america

And you keep talking about "how far you can go in corporate America"... lets nip that shyt in the bud, most people at best will become mid level managers,

again, please explain to me what the problem is with being a mid level manager in corporate america? and who are you to tell somebody that being a plumber is better than being a mid level manager

but again there are only so many of those positions, but various other avenues to making that same kind of money, even without a degree.

for the mllionth time, college degree holders make more money than non college degree holders

there is no way around that no matter how many anecdotal stories you pull out your ass

You keep harking back to this corporate America shyt like its the only ticket, there are brays getting it in different ways.

corporate america and politics is where the real money and power is, anything else is just chump change

Right, but again, a legit alternative to the way you push

im pushing for freedom for people to do whatever they want, i have never said there is anything wrong with any type of job

im just clarifying where the real money and power is in this country and it lies in college degrees, corporate america and politics

you are giving advice on how people can get a jobby job and put some food on their table, im giving advice on power and money, we arent on the same level

U ever hear of an IT/network manager?

dog, an IT manager is not a real manager, you obviously dont know anything about corporate america, in terms of corporate america, and IT manager is equivalent to the french fry manager at a fast food

but again before people get it wrong, there is nothing wrong with an IT manager or a fast food manager, those are good jobs, but to say young black youth should focus on those types of jobs is silly

Bruh you do realize these are far from the only avenues to six figure salaries?

and skilled labor is not a path to six figures

Skilled Labor Salaries | Simply Hired
The average salary for skilled labor jobs is $39,000.

and bruh, you do realize that im not just talking about money? and you do realize that im not talking about just jobs?

im talking power and money, in this culture power and money will always reside with the highly educated, there is no way around that

Politics? You do realize to make it as a politician you need capital to invest to campaign, right? And if you are not a politician but are working in politics, you are either working in the public sector or on a nonprofit campaign trail (in other words, NOT AT ALL balling)

i dont get this, what is your point?i thought we had already established that a college degree is a way to a six figure salary, even you admitted this, so what is your point about capital?

and you do realize politics isnt about running for office, its about giving money and working the system

so again, this is another example of your low level thinking, there is nothing wrong with running for office but thats not really what i was referring to

Plus if you look at politics, more and more its being overtaken by candidates with the wealth and time to invest in campaigning. Black people have neither

politics is not being overtaken by people with wealth, it always has been dominated by people with wealth, it has never changed, thats my whole point

And you just can't get that multinational corporation out of your mouth huh You just can't imagine how someone might make 6 figures without that corporate paycheck

most people that make six figures get a check from corporate america, thats just reality

skilled labor is not the path toward 6 figures

Skilled Labor Salaries | Simply Hired
The average salary for skilled labor jobs is $39,000.

Proof

what percentage of plumbers make 100K?

I'm saying, unlike you claim to, people should figure out what they want to do and CAN do, and focus on THAT. Black people don't have the luxury of being able to play the POLITICS game that many people do to work up that management ladder, which is why I keep pushing that we should focus on SKILLS. My parents said the best thing to do in this country is to get something nobody can take from you, be it a license to practice something, a skill, a degree, whatever. For all intents and purposes a management position is a gift... and over the last couple of decades companies were very GENEROUS. These days its a lot harder, and with the economic climate its a gift companies are more than willing to take away or play favorites with.

well what young black males can do is focus on engineering and medicine, since we all agree that is the way to make money

as far as black people not having the luxury of playing politics, that might be true, thats why focusing on skilled labor is not a good thing, its usually people in corporate america that have the luxury of playing politics, plumbers and skilled laborers are to busy to worry about politics

i dont give a fuk what your parents said, im just giving you the facts, college graduates make more money and have more opportunities than non college graduates

 

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corporate america and politics is where the real money and power is, anything else is just chump change

most people that make six figures get a check from corporate america, thats just reality

i dont give a fuk what your parents said, im just giving you the facts, college graduates make more money and have more opportunities than non college graduates

I agree with most of what you said, but I have to disagree with these satements.

There are plenty of avenues outside of corporate America that one can use to gain money and power. And most people involved in politics where grandfathered in. Those that do break their way into politics usually do so at a grass roots community level, as opposed to corporate America.

Maybe most people with salaries in the 100-500k range get a paycheck. But the majority of the 1% got there through inheritance and investments. Only the top CEO's of the top companies make millions. And they are probably someone impoortant's son and were already wealthy to begin with.

And graduates THAT GET A JOB. make more money. Currently in this country many college graduates are not being hired in their field if study. And as for opportunities I think a skilled trade might give you more in the long run. Or at least better job security without paying more money for school.

If you do go to college and you don't make it to the upper echelon of corporate America you have allot of debt that you may or may not be able to recover from. With a skilled trade I think the ceiling is lower but the risk is too.