X-MEN Apocalypse (Official Thread)

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didn't see it, the thing is we haven't, in the past they let box office receipts dictate who ran the gamut now the studio and execs choose who should be a star and we the consumers are playing catch up? That's ass backwards

Well the system has changed with more independent directors now working for studios. Those men and women aren't just looking to fill roles with people who are going to make them box office but rather people who are the best for the roles. Fassbender was great in those roles but he wasn't a "star" yet and neither was Jennifer Lawrence at the time; she got the role based on acclaimed roles she'd had in smaller movies. They look to create stars now and also get the best actors. Gone are the days of casting Arnold and Uma Thurman and Tommy Lee Jones in your movies just for the name value even if they're terrible for the roles. And that's why I say it's better now as opposed to then. Especially since there are very few movie "stars" these days meaning they can open a movie and it's a guarantee 100 million. Audiences seem to identify more with franchises and properties now rather than stars which can be both good and bad. We still decide though breh.

But as a lifelong James Bond fan, that's how they've always done business. Bond is the star, we just get the right actor to play him and make him a household name. Sean Connery was far from a household name when he was cast as Bond. Roger Moore was probably the closest thing to a household name when he got the role because he was on the saint and on maverick but mostly everyone else, even Pierce Brosnan, weren't quite there yet, they were on the cusp. Daniel Craig was far from the cusp but he got the role because he was the best man for the job
 

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Because of his acting ability, not because of his ability to draw.

John Malkovich and Frances McDorman brought some credibility to Transformers 3 but no one went and saw it because they were in it.

You're right because most of the targeted audience for that flick has no idea who those two are
 

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what way? That a dude should be presented as a mega star before a mega hit or his talent justifies it? :scusthov:

He's not being presented as a megastar though, he's someone that's had some great performances in some smaller films that was selected by a 2 directors to be in their big movies.


Fassbender had already piqued interest with the hunger and eden lake
And Issac hasn't already piqued interest with his roles?

Mainstream weren't talking about Hunger or Eden Lake before he got his big break in IB.
 

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We're pretending that Singer didn't cast a guy that was known for his theater performance in Oklahoma as Wolverine?

Or that Ian Mckellen's biggest roles before Magneto wasn't Richard III, a UK release and Apt Pupil?

How big of a star was James Marsden before being cast as Cyclops?

Oh you mean the movie released in 600 + theaters compared to the Dark Knight that was released in 4300 +? OK, good point. lol

Maggie Gyllenhal was the reason Dark Knight had such a wide release.
 

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Breh Heath Ledger became a household name BECAUSE of the movie. Because people kept hearing how dope the performance was and he died which led to it. Before he was cast though, he was just the guy from a couple movies far from a household name. Get outta here with that



And that's cool then I'll stick to that. I just don't see how you believe Tommy Lee Jones (who was barely advertised at being in the movie) and Stanley fukkin Tucci were the reasons people went to see Captain America. Now if you wanted to argue that Jack Nicholson was the reason people went to see Batman, I'd give you that one but this ain't the late 80s or 90s anymore. The goal studios have now, specifically Marvel Studios who is notoriously cheap, is to make new stars. Cast non household names in big roles, sign them to long term contracts and make money hand over fist.
So your saying him ODing has nothing to do with his noteriety?! Wow, OK I obviously disagree. .
 

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So your saying him ODing has nothing to do with his noteriety?! Wow, OK I obviously disagree. .

I'm saying that his fame didn't come from movies man. I'm not trying to speak on how a man died and all of that, I was trying not to get into a morbid discussion. I believe it all was a factor which is why I said: he died, and people then started to hear about how good his performance was. I'm going off of anecdotal evidence obviously because I worked at a radio station the summer dark knight came out and people were talking about how good they were hearing his performance was and that he could get a posthumous oscar for it, not talking about how he died. Like the homie @jwinfield said, if it was just him dying that made him a star, people would've flocked to see him in the Terry Gilliam flick that came out a few months after Dark Knight. If he had been an actor who died and his next movie was just that Terry Gilliam flick, the results would've been different. He wouldn't have became a "household name" and wouldn't have won that oscar. There was talk about what he was doing with the joker before he passed away breh
 

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Because of his acting ability, not because of his ability to draw.

John Malkovich and Frances McDorman brought some credibility to Transformers 3 but no one went and saw it because they were in it.
I think having good actors people know are good actors is a draw. It is for me, how about you? When you see an actor you deem as 'good' in a movie does it help, hurt or have no effect on your interest?

This Oscar guy I have never seen. Oh wait he was in Drive but I had no idea it was him until someone put the info in this thread. And that was neither here nor there as far as putting him on my radar. I would have preferred someone more well -known who could bring gravitas to the Apocalypse role. Why is that strange or 'not right'?
 

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I'm saying that his fame didn't come from movies man. I'm not trying to speak on how a man died and all of that, I was trying not to get into a morbid discussion. I believe it all was a factor which is why I said: he died, and people then started to hear about how good his performance was. I'm going off of anecdotal evidence obviously because I worked at a radio station the summer dark knight came out and people were talking about how good they were hearing his performance was and that he could get a posthumous oscar for it, not talking about how he died. Like the homie @jwinfield said, if it was just him dying that made him a star, people would've flocked to see him in the Terry Gilliam flick that came out a few months after Dark Knight. If he had been an actor who died and his next movie was just that Terry Gilliam flick, the results would've been different. He wouldn't have became a "household name" and wouldn't have won that oscar. There was talk about what he was doing with the joker before he passed away breh

There were other factors keeping the Terry Gilliam movie from making tons of money. That's a terrible example. It was not widely released and the subject matter isn't that accessible.
People waited for the more accessible film playing in the theater at the mall or down the block. You can understand why they didn't go searching for a theater that played The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus I hope.
 

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I think having good actors people know are good actors is a draw. It is for me, how about you? When you see an actor you deem as 'good' in a movie does it help, hurt or have no effect on your interest?

Did people know who Marsden, McKellan or Jackman were?

I could give a shyt if they were household names, if I know who they are and they have talent, I'm excited by their casting.

It's why I was excited when Craig was casted as Bond, Fassbender as Magneto, Oscar in this and Star Wars
 

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I think having good actors people know are good actors is a draw. It is for me, how about you? When you see an actor you deem as 'good' in a movie does it help, hurt or have no effect on your interest?

This Oscar guy I have never seen. Oh wait he was in Drive but I had no idea it was him until someone put the info in this thread. And that was neither here nor there as far as putting him on my radar. I would have preferred someone more well -known who could bring gravitas to the Apocalypse role. Why is that strange or 'not right'?

Because your assumption is that because he's not known to you, that he can't bring gravitas to the part and that's not true. Perfect example back to X men..Fassbender, at the time, was not known to me, that's me speaking personally. But when I saw him in X Men First Class, I was hooked. Dude owned that role, and was the best thing about that movie in my eyes. He was perfect and did everything with that role to make it great and make him standout. Then when it comes to James Bond, at the time, I'd only seen Daniel Craig in one thing, that Tomb Raider movie, and that's far from anything to highlight on a resume and he was barely in the movie so really I had no idea what to expect from his Bond but I was going to see the movie anyway and he was perfect. But there were people who'd seen him in Layer Cake who knew exactly what he could do with the role and I'm sure there expectations were met or surpassed. Because I love the character of Bond, I'm going to see the movie. Because I'm a fan of x men as a franchise, which includes movies and comics, I'm going to see it.

There were other factors keeping the Terry Gilliam movie from making tons of money. That's a terrible example. It was not widely released and the subject matter isn't that accessible.
People waited for the more accessible film playing in the theater at the mall or down the block. You can understand why they didn't go searching for a theater that played The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus I hope.

Well we disagree on that then. Yeah there were plenty of issues with it but I believe the buzz he got from one role made him a bigger star but the question is always is it the role that's making you big or are you making the role big? There are certain stars who are going to get their movies in wide release regardless of the situations because the studios know they'll make money off of it. That movie not only had his last role but also Johnny Depp and the studio would've pushed it out to the moon if they knew it would make money. There's a method to movie releases and a lot of it is audience research and sometimes the audience just doesn't care about people in certain roles no matter how big of a star we think they are. Sam Jackson has done a lot of movies and a good number of them have been direct to video but I think we'd all agree he's a household name definitely. But there are certain films he does that the studios know aren't going to pull in major dollars so they don't push them out to a wide audience, which is why they pop up on netflix or on demand.

Hollywood is driven now by franchises breh. Christian Bale is a star sure but Batman and the terminator are bigger stars. Even Robert Downey Jr., the highest paid man in the business, seems to have an issue opening a movie that's not an existing property. Sherlock Holmes? Hit. Iron Man? Hit. The Judge? Flop. The Soloist? Flop. The one movie he's got in between the big franchises that was a hit for him is Due Date and that was an ensemble more than just about him.

I'm not saying you're completely wrong or even saying that your personal reasons are wrong because they're personal, but what I am saying is that the era of big name stars being the sole reason for a movie's success or even the sole reason a mass audience will go see something now is over and it's been discussed and written about ad nausuem for the past few years.
 

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I definitely thought they would have gone for a bigger name/star for Apocalypse. That's the MO of the franchise, especially the Byran Singer movies. Even Kevin Bacon as the villain in First Class was bigger than this. There's no real hype with this casting as he's barely been in anything mainstream.

Just hope they don't pull a Stargate and have him looking effeminate :scust:. There are already two imposing alphas(Wolverine and Magneto) in this.
 

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I definitely thought they would have gone for a bigger name/star for Apocalypse. That's the MO of the franchise, especially the Byran Singer movies. Even Kevin Bacon as the villain in First Class was bigger than this. There's no real hype with this casting as he's barely been in anything mainstream.

Just hope they don't pull a Stargate and have him looking effeminate :scust:. There are already two imposing alphas(Wolverine and Magneto) in this.

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Then when it comes to James Bond, at the time, I'd only seen Daniel Craig in one thing, that Tomb Raider movie, and that's far from anything to highlight on a resume and he was barely in the movie so really I had no idea what to expect from his Bond but I was going to see the movie anyway and he was perfect. But there were people who'd seen him in Layer Cake who knew exactly what he could do with the role and I'm sure there expectations were met or surpassed. Because I love the character of Bond, I'm going to see the movie.
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I saw Craig in Tomb Raider, Road to Perdition and Layer Cake. After his performance in Layer Cake, when he was cast as Bond I had the:banderas:
 

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I saw Craig in Tomb Raider, Road to Perdition and Layer Cake. After his performance in Layer Cake, when he was cast as Bond I had the:banderas:

Word and that's the difference for me: I'd only seen him in one thing and he was barely in it. I didn't see Layer Cake until after Casino Royale same with Road to Perdition. I'm a James Bond fan though so I'm going to be lined up to see them until they stop making them. And that's a franchise that has not relied on heavy star power on a consistent basis. Javier Bardem may be the most high profile guy they've ever put in a Bond movie to be a villain but I'd even be hesitant to call him a "star" They went the Halle Berry route once and then they rebooted the series afterwards. The character, his history, and the adventure is the sell
 
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