Wu-Tang Forever Appreciation Thread

[3rdWorld]

AEOM is 2nd fav double disc album to me after WTF

prefer it to LAD

Its not bad, but lyrically not strong enough. I really liked Life Goes On and a couple others, and the title track, but he got washed on that too.
At this point Id put Street's Disciple over it..

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Its not bad, but lyrically not strong enough. I really liked Life Goes On and a couple others, and the title track, but he got washed on that too.
At this point Id put Street's Disciple over it..

I think it is really good lyrically. I think the beats are largely exceptional.

But at the bold...wut? to each their own I guess

 

[Asicz]

@Ayo!-BEZ in your OP you claimed that Wu Forever is the GOAT Double LP.
That is false. Life After Death is better than WTF.
You messed up out the gate.

Instead you could have made it a pure WTF appreciation thread.
Remember you went there with your outrageous claim not me.

Dont disrespect the GOAT rapper and his GOAT double LP.
You should apoligize to the forum for your outrageous claim imo.

 

[JayBaldacci]

Album cohesiveness does not necessarily mean that a project's song content or style is monolithic.
Cohesiveness for a LP is the appropriate arrangement of tracks on an album.

Thanks to Puff Daddy's executive production, and BIG's lyrical skill there's a very overall cinematic feel to LAD.
Plus a dark irony. Ex. "Nobody till Somebody Kills You" Final track.

Even the 2 DJ Premier tracks are polished. so polished they were sampled later by r&b girl group SWV.
Primo's tracks for Gangstarr and Nas (Nas is Like) have more grit in the way they are engineered and mixed down.

The variety makes this one of the best LPs of All Time.

The raunchy "Nasty Boy" is followed up by the Inspirational "Sky is The Limit"
The Dark content of "What's Beef" transitions to an "interlude" of Biggie rapping over the first credited Gangster Rap song in history -'P.S.K' by Schooly D followed by The upbeat ,celbretory , sudtly lamenting "Mo Money, MO Problems"


Also I think too much is made out of album "cohesiveness" these days. At the end of the day people just want joints that resonate, regardless of the order tracks are arranged or even the theme/content.

You're just showed how the album isn't cohesive. Lol at nasty girl

 

[3rdWorld]

I think it is really good lyrically. I think the beats are largely exceptional.

But at the bold...wut? to each their own I guess

I know. With the beats Daz and co. played it safe, they arent hardcore beats so that made it more accessible.
Nas is a better Mc lyrically and delivery wise, so in a sense yes..

 

[Asicz]

AEOM is still Pac's most important LP

Where does AEOM rank, after all these years? At the time it was released the Source or someone said it went up in flames..
It has some decent production, but lyrically unmemorable outside of a couple tracks. And he got outdid on the features.

In terms of GOAT double disc in Rap think it's arguably #1 imo. I can see LAD there also.
The Source curiously omitted reviewing AOM. (Maybe out of fear of getting it wrong?)
On the NORE podcast Drink Champs with guest Dave Mays founders of The Source Magazine, Ray Benzino mentioned the West Coast bias critism of their magazine was due on the writers being East Coasters and not able to properly apreciate and absorb West Coast Music.
(Doggystyle didn't even get 5mic Classic status on first review, in 2002 they corrected it to 5.)
Imo alot of AEOM highs notes are even higher than LAD's.
I ain't Mad at Ya, California Love Remix, Ambitionz,2 of America's Most Wanted,All About You, How Do You Want It, and many more outstanding tracks.

 

[3rdWorld]

AEOM is still Pac's most

In terms of GOAT double disc in Rap think it's arguably #1 imo. I can see LAD there also.
The Source curiously omitted reviewing AOM. (Maybe out of fear of getting it wrong?)
On the NORE podcast Drink Champs with guest Dave Mays founders of The Source Magazine, Ray Benzino mentioned the West Coast bias critism of their magazine was due on the writers being East Coasters and not able to properly apreciate and absorb West Coast Music.
(Doggystyle didn't even get 5mic Classic status on first review, in 2002 they corrected it to 5.)
Imo alot of AEOM highs notes are even higher than LAD's.
I ain't Mad at Ya, California Love Remix, Ambitionz,2 of America's Most Wanted,All About You, How Do You Want It, and many more outstanding tracks.

The Source went back and revised a lot of bad reviews though..
AEOM has good songs, but lyrically they werent memorable..his quotables are very few. Im not saying it was all Hennessy enemies penitentiary, but his lyrics dont stand out, dont make you rewind the tape and marvel at how he came up with them. IMO it seemed rushed.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

@Ayo!-BEZ in your OP you claimed that Wu Forever is the GOAT Double LP.
That is false. Life After Death is better than WTF.
You messed up out the gate.

Instead you could have made it a pure WTF appreciation thread.
Remember you went there with your outrageous claim not me.

Dont disrespect the GOAT rapper and his GOAT double LP.
You should apoligize to the forum for your outrageous claim imo.

I have to explain how a forum works huh

Nasty girl another are putrid. Forever doesnt have two black shampoos

And you lack understanding wgen it comes to the words cohesive and variety.

Forever was made for a few. Lad was made for many. Forever is a much higher artistic work than lad. When i upload my 80 min version tonight u will see. Ill even make a 80 min lad and compare

 

[RhymesWell]

I literally just found disc one in a preschool yesterday. I guess Wu-Tang really is for the children.

 

[Ruby'sRevolver]

1. It's one of my favorite albums.

2. It's my favorite double album.

3. I would put it #2 behind 36 Chambers.

4. This is gonna be hard Forever is one of the few double LP's that actually had enough quality tracks to fill it out so some really good tracks are gonna have to go, and I think disc 1 is almost perfect as it was, but I'll try to narrow the whole thing down to around 15 or 16 tracks, I'm not gonna factor in track length to make sure it fits on a single cd tho...

(1. Reunited
(2. For Heaven's Sake
(3. Cash Still Rules
(4. The MGM
(5. Severe Punishment
(6. Older Gods
(7. A Better Tomorrow
(8. It's Yourz
(9. Triumph
(10. Impossible
(11. Deadly Melody
(12. The City
(13. Bells of War
(14. Duck Seazon
(15. Hellz Wind Staff
(16. Heaterz
(17. The Closing


5. I think yours is pretty close to what I would have.

6. My favorite verse off the album is probably Ghost's from 'Impossible'

7. I would rate Forever a 9/10.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

What do you guys think of the transition from 36 Chambers to Forever?

What did you think of the W when it came out, a sort of contemporary version of 36 imo..

@Ayo!-BEZ

 

[mobbinfms]

This why what Puff Daddy did was genius. And influential.

He just watered down the sound to make it palatable to the masses. I remember a quote from somebody at Bad Boy about they made rap music safe for Republican white kids
That being said...he knew which records would appeal to that crowd He definitely capitalized

He was able to mix Pop with Hardcore with all with the GOAT rapper over it who died a couple months before it's release.

Can't argue with this...Biggie could make anything work
Look at the difference between LAD and No Way Out Or Harlem World
And Mase was nice on the mic...but he didn't have the magic Big did

The Ten Crack Commandments by itself kills Wu Tang Forever.

Truimph >>>>

 

[mobbinfms]

I still get chills down my spine when I hear the 2nd disk Intro

Back when rappers had artistic integrity
Can you imagine Drake doing something like this
Or Future mumbling something to the effect of what they were getting at

 

[mobbinfms]

Let's not forget that LAD maybe the most lyrically influential album in Rap. Only thing close is Rakims stuff, KRS stuff, but I think BIG eclipsed them at this point in terms of straight being bit, referenced, quoted etc.

LAD gets quoted more than RTD?

 

[mobbinfms]

Somebody's Gotta Die x Reunited
Hypnotize x For Heavens Sake
Kick In the Door x Cash Still Rules/Scary Hours
fukk You Tonight x Visionz
Last Day x As High as Wu-Tang Get
I Love the Dough x Severe Punishment (very slightly tho)
What's Beef? x Older Gods
Mo Money Mo Problems x Maria
nikkas Bleed x A Better Tomorrow
I Got a Story to Tell x It's Yourz (another tough one)

I thinks Vizions is clearly better than Fukk you tonight.
I would take Last Day over As High As Wu Tang Get
I would take Mo Money Mo Problems over Maria
I would take N***s Bleed over A Better Tomorrow
And I would take I Got A Story to Tell over Its Yourz

Everything else is a toss up.
I guess this is why I like LAD more than Forever
N***z Bleed being pitted against A Better Tomorrow is