agree to disagree my guys
i literally gave you books to read but you say rae was just hating lol
its kinda obvious that rza switched to digital production after the flood and lost all his flavor..
i literally gave you books to read but you say rae was just hating lol
its kinda obvious that rza switched to digital production after the flood and lost all his flavor..
Bugzbunny129
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Again. I read it. I had a totally different take than you.
Rza was doing difital peoduction on liquid swords if you pay attention. He wasnt paying for samples anymore. Noone was. I get it.
Wu tang as a group released 9 albums in 2 years. Even the hottest producers in the game were coming close to the amount if beats rza was putting out year to year. Premier did 1 album a year. And singles. Rza did 3-5 for 5 years straight.
Some of you are unrealistic. Did he slack. Yup. But saying he went digi when he made suoreme ghost dog and the w bpw difi and ironflag. 6 albums in 6 diff totally different styles in 2 years… aftwr he made 6 the orevious 2. And 5 the previous 3. Thats 3-4+ 2-3.5 micers and 5.
Yea youre wilding out.
The book is Rae's vision of things though, not the whole story. Chill on taking it as gospel.
And RZA started playing around w/ the digital orchestra late 97-98, second flood was 95, and he produced a chunk of LS, Ironman & Forever after that, plus a ton of loosies that had nothing to do with the sound he was playing with on BDIS
I think people get these narratives in their head and run with them b/c saying RZA went 'digital' and fell off doesn't make sense as he didn't really continue with that sound or style past BDIS, even on the other Bobby Digital albums. It's like people who kept describing Ghost album after album as 'not making sense' when he dropped the abstract style after 2000.
You can still not like what they're doing but, if you're not going to explain your complaint correctly, then it's going to be dismissed as invalid.
It's not about 'paying for samples.' The sound he was going for on LS was the sound he was going for and when he did Ironman right after (and SC 4 years later) they were both sample heavy b/c that's Ghost's vibe.
Especially on Supreme because that was in the keyboard era when they made the sample heavy album that changed the game again and brought back the sample inspiring Kanye & Just on The Blueprint.
Bugzbunny129
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I mean yea if you wanna get oddly specific about it. He says he did it because of GC guy. At same time were talking about the guy who paid syl johnson in bulk and would reuse shyt 3-4x and started using keyboards to evolve away from samples even before the GC stuff. While also going for broke with it when he got a huge solo deal and chose not to use many at all for it. Which most of them did to keep costs down and keep bread.
You can say its an art thing but it 100% was business influenced. The point was to show he was doing these things before going “digital” so blaming digital beats when this started in 1995 is imo of no consequence.
He just stopped living in studio and living a real life. He still put out sn incredible amount of high quality work while doing so. Obviously i know he still sampled heavy for years and supreme/bpw are filled. But his music got lazier as the years went on; From complex chops to mostly straight sample loops with layered live elements and weird keyboard concoctions that were very simple.
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u mad son?
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I copped iron flag the day it came out, I was 11/12..
To this day ill say that's one of the most underated albums of all time. I will die on that hill.
Tracks like baby that have no sample.. Wow
To this day ill say that's one of the most underated albums of all time. I will die on that hill.
Tracks like baby that have no sample.. Wow
My problem with The W is that Conditioner completely throws the album off. It's just misplaced. Then it takes like 3 songs to get back on track. Iron Flag is just a compilation. But they're still good albums.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
RZA laced this marvelously
4th Discipled really started to shine in this era too
Damn, I thought Ironman was a classic... I guess Ghost didn't like it as much as a lot of us did.
That is one of the best songs on there. As far as 4th GOES he really started to shine around this time! The song Love on there to me is one of the best on the album hands down. Overall a great album.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
These two albums needed to be trimmed and combined essentially and it would've been a 4.5 mic album and considered a classic by now.
It was more what he was going through while making the album & feeling like he didn't come through like he wanted than how the album itself turned out.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
It is classic, it's just ghost was going thru personal stuff, I think he had just gotten diagnosed w/ diabetes
