Writer's and Actor's Strike 2023: Aaaaand Scene...That's a Wrap!

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Not sure what your argument even is breh. You want the union to have less people and the market to shrink? Every job has people that carry more weight than others so not sure what you want.

My argument is that a lot of people whether you want to believe it's fair or unfair, don't actually deserve more for what they are producing. My bench/role player comparison is not straight apples to apples but it's close. On the other side, the executives don't deserve to be making as much as they are making either but they are the "owners" and that's how capitalism works.

The U.S. entire capitalistic structure is broken.
 

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Word is the studios are gonna bleed the unions until Oct. since they estimate many crew members and even actors don't have enough funds to survive months without pay.

And many are unable to apply for unemployment as they are indie contractors...
And the union is doing shyt all for them.

The real workers should start their own union. Not one ran by millionaires and Ivy League grads.

Priorities are too different.
 

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Who? and where? I think these are fair questions to ask. I'm not claiming they are all apart of this "Hollywood elite" obviously some are just regular working people but every regular working person in this country whether fair or unfair is expected to seek out and find employment.

It's easy to sit here and say "These executives are all pieces of shyt! pay the actors!" Of course... executives anywhere are pieces of shyt, greedy muthafukkas.

Actors/actresses, sorry to say, some of them don't sound like they are living in the real world. They aren't going to get the same sympathy as people who go out on strike because their mill is paying them minimum wage to work 12 hour shifts in the brutal heat etc.. etc..
Some work regular jobs in between gigs
 
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The lead negotiator from the union said that people might start boycotting the studios because they hear the actors are being treated unfairly.

What the fukk world is he living in? Nobody gonna give a fukk about any of that. If that's what they think they have for "leverage" then they already lost.
 

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I haven’t seen that anywhere. Seems they just asking to be paid fairly with TRANSPARENCY.

If the same actor can be paid more for being an extra on a network tv show than being a main character on an extremely popular streaming show that’s a problem.

The residuals around streaming are 100% fukked which is why Scarlett Johansson took Disney to court when they put Black Widow on D+.
Taht wasnt really about residuals. IIRC she had bonuses tied to a theatrical release. Like if it got 300M Box Office, she would get a bonus of 20M. Then they released Black Widow on D+ on the same day as the theatrical release.
 

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Taht wasnt really about residuals. IIRC she had bonuses tied to a theatrical release. Like if it got 300M, she would get a bonus of 20M. Then they released Black Widow on D+ on the same day as the theatrical release.

I used a loose comparison but its similar. A bonus metric was tied to a traditional release which then didnt apply to streaming numbers. A lot of television actors in particular are getting screwed over because the streaming payouts arent anything close what traditional tv pays and the services arent transparent with the numbers.
 

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The lead negotiator from the union said that people might start boycotting the studios because they hear the actors are being treated unfairly.

What the fukk world is he living in? Nobody gonna give a fukk about any of that. If that's what they think they have for "leverage" then they already lost.
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Y'all thought I was kidding about that Ivy League shyt. All these unions are bloated by those rich out of touch fukks.
 

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Y'all thought I was kidding about that Ivy League shyt. All these unions are bloated by those rich out of touch fukks.

The thing is when electing leaders people tend to want someone smarter and hopefully more knowledgeable than them. Nobody wants to hire someone they feel is less or equally qualified as themselves. For example if you are a truck loader at UPS do you want the guy loading trucks beside you to negotiate the benefits?
 

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The thing is when electing leaders people tend to want someone smarter and hopefully more knowledgeable than them. Nobody wants to hire someone they feel is less or equally qualified as themselves. For example if you are a truck loader at UPS do you want the guy loading trucks beside you to negotiate the benefits?
Yes, because I'm not some liberal elitist fukk who believes that people with legacy connections and degrees from "prestigious" institutions are more qualified than the person actually doing the fukking job.

You indirectly tied a person's sense of agency and self-worth to their job. Why wouldn't a truck loader be qualified to advocate for his own pay?

When the alternative is a failed lawyer whose elitist connections landed him a gig holding hundreds of truck loaders livelihood in their hands?

Look how great that has turned out so far. CEOS making 400+ million dollars a year while the slaves responsible starve on the streets. Bet damn sure that wouldn't be the case if the lowest paid workers, hell contractors, were allowed to negotiate their own benefits.

The failure of unions in the US is due to corporations and the government intentional union busting efforts, like promoting this backwards thinking and filling unions up with their own family members. Unions only exist in name.
 

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Yes, because I'm not some liberal elitist fukk who believes that people with legacy connections and degrees from "prestigious" institutions are more qualified than the person actually doing the fukking job.

You indirectly tied a person's sense of agency and self-worth to their job. Why wouldn't a truck loader be qualified to advocate for his own pay?

When the alternative is a failed lawyer whose elitist connections landed him a gig holding hundreds of truck loaders livelihood in their hands?

Look how great that has turned out so far. CEOS making 400+ million dollars a year while the slaves responsible starve on the streets.

The failure of unions in the US is due to corporations and the government intentional union busting efforts, like promoting this backwards thinking and filling unions up with their own family members.

Bruh, just as a lawyer is more qualified to argue on your behalf than your lawn mowing brother, you need someone with expertise in that field to represent you.

In no way am i saying they chose the correct person, but you do not want just anyone representing you, especially if they arent familiar with players and stakes.

You want someone close enough to the job to know what is required but not close enough where they get tunnel vision. The guy loading trucks may think new fans and an extra dollar are the highest priority asks and not an employee stock vesting plan or paternity leave.
 

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Bruh, just as a lawyer is more qualified to argue on your behalf than your lawn mowing brother, you need someone with expertise in that field to represent you.

In no way am i saying they chose the correct person, but you do not want just anyone representing you, especially if they arent familiar with players and stakes.

You want someone close enough to the job to know what is required but not close enough where they get tunnel vision. The guy loading trucks may think new fans and an extra dollar are the highest priority asks and not an employee stock vesting plan or paternity leave.
No the fukk they aren’t. That’s literally propaganda.

The current labor laws and union issues only exist to make the process of running a union virtually impossible.

Those chosen to “advocate” in these ivory tower positions consistently manage to get absolutely nothing done. There’s a reason why workers don’t have shyt and are forced to strike for pennies.

They aren’t doing shyt, they haven’t done shyt, they will never do shyt that actually matters.

Perhaps you should look up the literal definition of what a union is. And the history of unions before liberal elitism infected US unions to the core.

The true strength of any union is in collective civil disobedience, not by following lame duck “law and order” procedure meant to curtail collective resistance.

Unions don’t need to right people to advocate for them. That’s literally a fukking oxymoron.
 
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