Writer's and Actor's Strike 2023: Aaaaand Scene...That's a Wrap!

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Well nikkas was complaining about how shytty the product was I guess y’all got y’all wish and we get a chance to see if the computers can do any better :skip:
But it can only learn from previous content.


it would still make Kraven, Morbius, and Madame Web movies.:snoop:
 

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Let's see....

Getting paid peanuts before...

Getting paid nothing during a strike...

Why would I work 😒 on anything 🤔 I'm not getting 😒 paid!!
 

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Let's see....

Getting paid peanuts before...

Getting paid nothing during a strike...

Why would I work 😒 on anything 🤔 I'm not getting 😒 paid!!


They thought writers were gonna come back to them with a bunch of ideas, then they'd pay the low for those pitches because the writers needed to make up for not working.

But that doesn't seem to be the case
 

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'None of Us Want Our Voices Replicated': Voice Actors Say Union's 'Ethical' AI Deal Is Bad for Humans​


A “groundbreaking” deal with an AI voice generation studio could be the first of many, the SAG-AFTRA national executive director said.


By Jules Roscoe

January 10, 2024, 3:56pm
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SAG-AFTRA has made a “groundbreaking” deal with an AI voice generation studio to produce copies of actors’ voices, the union announced on Tuesday. The deal is the first of its kind in the industry and comes after a 118-day-long strike by the union over the summer, which was largely over actors’ worries that AI might replace them.

The deal with Replica Studios, a self-described ethical AI voice generation company, would allow unionized voice actors to opt in to providing their voices to be used as training data for the company. Performers would then approve the use of their AI voice double in projects by game developers at AAA studios. The use of AI in games has become a topic of heated debate recently, particularly after breakout success online multiplayer game The Finals' use of AI voiceovers sparked a backlash from players and voice actors.

While many industry insiders and observers praised the deal, voice actors Motherboard spoke to lamented that it opens the door to replacing live humans with AI for much voice acting work.

“I believe a remnant of talented and deeply committed artists will remain in each field, but the bulk of our work will sadly be replaced by AI," voice actor Steph Lynn Robinson told Motherboard. "SAG-AFTRA has set a precedent with this agreement and this is only the beginning.”

The union’s press release stated that, “the agreement ensures performer consent and negotiation for uses of their digital voice double and requires that performers have the opportunity to opt out of its continued use in new works.”

“This agreement contains an absolute consent requirement,” said SAG-AFTRA national executive director and chief negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, in a phone call with Motherboard. “It’s informed consent where [voice actors] are told precisely what projects [the AI voice double] would be used for, exactly the nature of that use, and they don't have to continue to grant that consent. If a member doesn't want to have a digital replica of their voice used, they absolutely can say ‘no’ from the very beginning.”

“I do want to note, whenever it is used with their consent, they also are compensated for that,” Crabtree-Ireland continued. “So for some members, this will be something that I think they're excited about because they will see this as a way to supplement the work they're doing in more traditional ways. It may give them access to opportunities they wouldn't have had before.”

Crabtree-Ireland said that this deal had been in the works for multiple years, and that if it was successful, subsequent deals with other AI voice generation companies could follow. “I certainly hope that Replica will serve as an example to the video game companies.”

Sarah Elmaleh, a voice actor and director who previously told Motherboard about her concerns regarding AI voice doubling, said that a requirement for ongoing consent and transparency was “baked into” the agreement.

“What it comes down to for me is just continuing to advocate for collaboration on all levels,” she said in a phone call. “[Developers should] strive to be in dialogue with their performers in this open, ongoing way to address potential pitfalls.”

Kamran Nikhad, a union voice actor who worked on Marvel Avengers Academy and Paladins: Champions of the Realm, told Motherboard in an email that he believed the deal was “coercion under the guise of consent.”

“Our voices won't be replicated and used in video games if we don't want them to, but we also won't be booking those jobs either,” Nikhad said. “While I can't speak on behalf of every VO actor, I can safely say that I've not yet seen a single actor excited about any of this. None of us want our voices replicated. We want to actually work because we love what we do.”

Tim Friedlander, the president of the National Association of Voice Actors (NAVA), told Motherboard in a phone call that the agreement—and possible subsequent agreements like it—was a step forward in regulating AI in the industry.

“Anytime we can get any AI company to be held accountable, that's great,” Friedlander said. “What we've been seeing in the voiceover industry is that whether we agree to having synthetic voices used or not, companies are out there creating synthetic voices and replacing us already. At least having this under a union contract puts some protections in place with this particular company.”

Friedlander previously told Motherboard that any synthetic voice generation in the industry would have the greatest impact on actors just starting their careers. This deal, he said, would do the same.

“For video games primarily, I know a lot of the discussion is to use generative AI in regards to NPCs, to non-player characters,” he said in the phone call. “For a lot of voice actors, we have gotten our start playing 12 or 13 NPCs in a video game, and that's how you get your foot in the door. Those beginner voice acting jobs are going to be most affected.”

Many voice actors also expressed negative views of the deal in response to the union’s announcement on X.

“I firmly believe this deal irrevocably harms the industry,” said non-union voice actor Troy Karedes, who wrote on X that he was “appalled” by the announcement, in an email to Motherboard. “I don't personally know any actors who are enthusiastic about this deal or providing consent to use as AI.”

Actors also expressed concerns about the wording of the announcement, which said that the deal had been “approved by affected members of the union’s voiceover performer community.” Many wrote on X that they had not been asked about this.

Steve Blum, a voice actor who has worked on Mortal Kombat and the God of War franchise, wrote that, “Nobody in our community approved this that I know of…Who are you referring to?”

Chris Hackney, who has worked on Genshin Impact and Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, wrote a response asking the union to “please confirm when you asked me about this and allowed me to vote on it? Pretty sure I haven't given my union approval to engage on my behalf.”

Crabtree-Ireland told Motherboard that the decision had been made unanimously by the union’s Interactive Media Agreement Committee, a group of members in the industry appointed by the national board, of which Elmaleh is the chair.

“There's quite a deep involvement by members in the negotiation and approval process for this,” Crabtree-Ireland said. “When we were ultimately able to get the terms that they wanted, expected, and needed in this contract, then that brought us to the point where they were prepared to endorse the deal.”

The entertainment industry has seen significant union activity over the past six months. While both Hollywood writers and actors went on strike over the summer, both the WGA and SAG-AFTRA eventually came to agreements with the studios that would allow them to use AI.

“What we wanted was protections against generative AI—the ability to decline having our voice prints replicated without being denied the work as a result of that choice,” Nikhad wrote. “The contract that was ultimately ratified wasn't that. This agreement, more or less, seems to be a continuation of that. It protects our voices from being scrubbed without our consent, but without the job security that was supposed to come with that.”

In response to the announcement, some X users have posted links to upcoming SAG-AFTRA town hall meetings, the first of which is scheduled on Wednesday evening.

“There is obviously a good reason to be cautious,” Crabtree-Ireland said. “There's a good reason why we spent so much time and worked so hard to develop terms that are so protective. But there's also reason to think that this can provide more opportunities. We plan to pursue protective AI provisions in every contract that we have, and we plan to continue to evolve them at every contract as those contracts get renegotiated.”
 

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fukk Gavin Newsom Hollywood bootlicking ass

He just drove the nail into the coffin of the California independent film scene with the new 750 million CFC 3.0 film tax credit initiative. Just got back home from this film summit in SF where they presented the new initiative and I've been :scust: since.

Just look at this bullshyt

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Read the fine print in step two of the jobs ratio calculator. low budget (sub 10M) independent films are fukked out the gate and will not have competitive ratios because there's no bonus multiplier applied for 2/3 of the bonus categories. Meanwhile, the big studios can produce sub-10M low budget films all day and get the entire bonus multiplier :gucci:

Basically if you're an independent film studio hiring Californians on a production but it's sub-10 million, you are at the very bottom of the list in the application pool via the ratio calculator, which essentially means you don't qualify for the already limited rebate pool.

In other words, they've disincentivized accredited film investors from funding low budget indies produced in California. Anybody pumping six-plus figures into a film production is gonna look dumb parking that in a low budget indie when low budget studio flicks automatically net them a bigger return from jump.

And, on top of that, what percentage of indie studios are gambling on mid-budget flicks? There's a reason the market is pretty much a smile curve with nothing but low budget and high budget flicks... You can take three 3M shots at a bigger box office return or one 10M shot for the same amount of money. Indie horrors are the bread and butter... now that's pretty much exclusively gonna be Hollywood studio fare as far as California film production is concerned via this bootlicking tax rebate initiative. Low budget period films and TV shows are the only low budget indie fare that will actually be competitive to receive the tax rebate (and therefore compelling for indie investors) as they tend to range 10-25M.

AND, they're giving studios bonus points for filming 30 miles outside of the "LA Film Zone" but with no stipulations on hiring quotas outside of LA. In other words, Hollywood gets to film anywhere else in the state at any budget level, get a rebate for it, and only build film infrastructure that benefits the existing studios with whatever staffing practices they want, at whatever rates they want. The entire Bay Area film community is gonna be filming absolutely nothing but commercials and ultra-low budget docs at this rate which has already been the case since the strike happened :scust:

Now the question is what state is gonna actually incentivize independent film production. California's a dubb
 
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fukk Gavin Newsom Hollywood bootlicking ass

He just drove the nail into the coffin of the California independent film scene with the new 750 million CFC 3.0 film tax credit initiative. Just got back home from this film summit in SF where they presented the new initiative and I've been :scust: since.

Just look at this bullshyt

54186720705_ef476ef957_h.jpg


Read the fine print in step two of the jobs ratio calculator. low budget (sub 10M) independent films are fukked out the gate and will not have competitive ratios because there's no bonus multiplier applied for 2/3 of the bonus categories. Meanwhile, the big studios can produce sub-10M low budget films all day and get the entire bonus multiplier :gucci:

Basically if you're an independent film studio hiring Californians on a production but it's sub-10 million, you are at the very bottom of the list in the application pool via the ratio calculator, which essentially means you don't qualify for the already limited rebate pool.

In other words, they've disincentivized accredited film investors from funding low budget indies produced in California. Anybody pumping six-plus figures into a film production is gonna look dumb parking that in a low budget indie when low budget studio flicks automatically net them a bigger return from jump.

And, on top of that, what percentage of indie studios are gambling on mid-budget flicks? There's a reason the market is pretty much a smile curve with nothing but low budget and high budget flicks... You can take three 3M shots at a bigger box office return or one 10M shot for the same amount of money. Indie horrors are the bread and butter... now that's pretty much exclusively gonna be Hollywood studio fare as far as California film production is concerned via this bootlicking tax rebate initiative. Low budget period films and TV shows are the only low budget indie fare that will actually be competitive to receive the tax rebate (and therefore compelling for indie investors) as they tend to range 10-25M.

AND, they're giving studios bonus points for filming 30 miles outside of the "LA Film Zone" but with no stipulations on hiring quotas outside of LA. In other words, Hollywood gets to film anywhere else in the state at any budget level, get a rebate for it, and only build film infrastructure that benefits the existing studios with whatever staffing practices they want, at whatever rates they want. The entire Bay Area film community is gonna be filming absolutely nothing but commercials and ultra-low budget docs at this rate which has already been the case since the strike happened :scust:

Now the question is what state is gonna actually incentivize independent film production. California's a dubb
I heard Nevada been try to get in on that.
 
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