Why is Michael Jordan generally considered to be the GOAT? What would you say to persuade me to believe he's the best if I don't think so? 🫠

[HabitualChiller]

There’s always gonna be contrarians but if Victor gets it out the mud like MJ and win 7 chips then he’s the new goat

Firstly, Idk why you're including ring count when MJ is widely regarded as the GOAT, yet he has 5 less than Bill Russell. That makes no sense.

Secondly, we're not going to act like MJ didn't essentially just wait out the great teams of that era...

 

[Monsanto]

Why do you have Wilt as the GOAT? He is top 5 for me.

He was a 2 way menace and could do everything on the court. His only weakness was his free throws. Two reasons he's not the all time leading scorer, his coaches asked him to be more active with passing and hockey assists. And because he didn't use his strength, rather using his finesse with fadeaways.

The record books speak for themselves and blocks weren't even accounted for most of his career. Can only imagine his PER with those included. His only knock is losing to a dynasty that had every HOF from the players to the coaches.

 

[Sccit]

Here you go arguing a point I didn't make. I really don't have time to go around with your no comprende ass today...

SO WHATS THE POINT U EVEN TRYNA MAKE SMH

MY POINT WAS THAT GOAT TALKS FOR BRON WERE FORCED DUE TO LONGEVITY

NOBODY WOULD ARGUE HE WAS BETTER THAN MJ WIT A STRAIGHT FACE IN HIS PRIME YEARS

 

[fifth column]

Firstly, Idk why you're including ring count when MJ is widely regarded as the GOAT, yet he has 5 less than Bill Russell. That makes no sense.

Secondly, we're not going to act like MJ didn't essentially just wait out the great teams of that era...

Who were the greats of the era?

 

[Trojan 24]

The people have spoken

If you wait 10/15 years that gap is going to close, at least that's what LeGBT tells me

 

[Trojan 24]

Same can be said about the gen that grew up on Lebron

Same jits saying PG they GOAT?

 

[BK The Great]

MJ is the GOAT to me cause of the style of play he created. Had players like Kobe emulate him in some way of fashion. That’s the closest to MJ we’re gonna see in our lifetime. Lebron is more of a stronger player type we never seen before.

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

If you don't think MJ is the GOAT then you probably not old enough to have seen it live and there's nothing I can tell you.

My friends and I used to say he sold his soul to the devil cause the shyt was magical.

It wasn't just what he did it's the way it unfolded... The way it happened was unreal.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

(1) By far the best playoff performer ever

TOP 5 NBA PLAYERS to avg 40 PPG in multiple playoff series

#1 Michael Jordan
#2 (see #1)
#3 (see #2)
#4 (see #3)
#5 (see #4)

Jordan is the only player in NBA history to avg 40 PPG in multiple playoff series

He did it 5 times

(2) Seismic gap between him and the "2nd best"

(3) The "eye-test" shows he was on another level.





(4) Also played in the toughest, most physical era ever and still was unstoppable




(5) Unbreakable records

10 scoring titles
6x Finals MVP

(6)

Demonstrably the best offensive and defensive player

10 scoring titles (record)
9x all NBA def 1st team (joint record)
Defensive player of the year

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Prime Bron is faster and stronger than Prime MJ at 3 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

I don't think this is true at all

 

[Pacni99a12]

(1) By far the best playoff performer ever

TOP 5 NBA PLAYERS to avg 40 PPG in multiple playoff series

#1 Michael Jordan
#2 (see #1)
#3 (see #2)
#4 (see #3)
#5 (see #4)

Jordan is the only player in NBA history to avg 40 PPG in multiple playoff series

He did it 5 times

(2) Seismic gap between him and the "2nd best"

(3) The "eye-test" shows he was on another level.





(4) Also played in the toughest, most physical era ever and still was unstoppable




(5) Unbreakable records

10 scoring titles
6x Finals MVP

(6)

Demonstrably the best offensive and defensive player

10 scoring titles (record)
9x all NBA def 1st team (joint record)
Defensive player of the year

There's some crazy stats with him and the Bulls. After losing the first 3 games of the 90-91 season the Bulls with Jordan never lost three straight games again until he retired in 1998. Also neither the 91 or 98 Bulls lost a game by more than 3 points in the playoffs. That's crazy

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

I don't think this is true at all

I read that dudes initial comment and lost brain cells. You can tell who watched "prime Jordan" and "prime Lebron".

 

[Ripp]

I don't think this is true at all

Word. But faster and stronger is a stupid ass argument anyway... who is more skilled? Arnold swarzenneger is stronger than Michael Jordan too but will he beat him in a 1 VS 1..... Lebron stands no chance against Jordan having to put take the ball out from the 3pt line.

Even if anyone wants to argue that he is faster he won't be able to put the ball on the floor comfortably enough to use said speed. Jordan is a defensive juggernaut... he's gonna poke the ball out of lebrons hands 9/10. What is lebron gonna do back down jordan from the 3pt line?

Jordan was so quick barely had to use his handles but he certainly had some.... Mike would have LeBron on skates if he wanted to.

 

[Harry B]

I wish you could compare across sports.

I really wonder who the most dominant is between Ronaldo/Messi, Gretzky and MJ, while adjusting for a bunch of things.
Cause Gretzky's shyt is not normal. The difference between him and #2 would like if MJ instead of having 32k points had 60K points. And instead of 30 ppg had a 40 ppg average, and instead of 15 seasons having 20

But ofc, the NHL was not as mature as the NBA was, so can't compare. It would take PhD levels of mathematics to make a fair comparison

 

[KidJSoul]

only 1 of his 6 Finals losses is directly attributable to Bron's poor play

2 out of 6