You make your teammates All Stars by making them better.How many other FMVPs and All-Stars did MJ play with in those first three seasons???
And you do that by, you know... actually passing them the ball...
Why is Michael Jordan generally considered to be the GOAT? What would you say to persuade me to believe he's the best if I don't think so? đź«
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And you do that by, you know... actually passing them the ball...
This is a criminally stupid argument that needs to die. You're literally saying Jordan should have contended with no supporting cast. It's lazy, unoriginal, and you're proving to be someone who parrots talking points instead of using facts and your own eyes. It sounds like you never saw MJ live.
Let's play along though; how many chips does Lebron have without Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, or AD? How many does Kobe have without Shaq or Pau? How many does Shaq have without Kobe or Wade? Larry had a team of Hall of Famers. Duncan had Robinson, Manu, Parker, and Kawhi. We can do this all day. No one wins without help.
Someone already pointed out in this thread how stupid the Pippen angle is when MJ only played two whole seasons without him and Horace Grant. Y'all act like he was struggling for a decade. He won his first ring in 6 years. Lebron couldn't get it done in 7 seasons in Cleveland, had to leave and form a super team, just to lose in the Finals because he no showed and couldn't outplay Jason Terry. He finally got one in his 9th season. Your entire point is more fitting for Lebron. One failed with the team that drafted him while the other won a 3peat with homegrown talent.
Your other points are barely worth arguing. Lebron isn't as accomplished on defense as Mike and he checked out on seriously defending years ago. Lebron being pass first is also why he's not seeing Mike. There's plenty of times where he was too passive or avoiding the moment. MJ in the Finals was not doing anything that you would ever second guess. He was always locked in and that's why he won every time he got there.
Michael is the GOAT. Period.
He’ll never be surpassed
Lebron has the greatest claim next to Jordan, then Kareem, then Kobe, then Wilt, then Magic.
But what they all lack is the combination of mystique, expert marketing, and TIMING that Jordan had. The mystique and timing factor isn’t fair, but it is what it is. Lebron gave it a good run, better than anyone could have hoped for a potential usurper but ultimately Jordan is THAT dude and always will be
He’ll never be surpassed
Lebron has the greatest claim next to Jordan, then Kareem, then Kobe, then Wilt, then Magic.
But what they all lack is the combination of mystique, expert marketing, and TIMING that Jordan had. The mystique and timing factor isn’t fair, but it is what it is. Lebron gave it a good run, better than anyone could have hoped for a potential usurper but ultimately Jordan is THAT dude and always will be
iceberg_is_on_fire
Wearing Lions gear when it wasn't cool
I've made it a pasttime to watch younger people watch Jordan highlights on youtube. It almost always comedy when they do. Almost all of them rave about the hangtime but how everything looks picture perfect in terms of fundamentals.
Dude said LeBron style is more conducive to winning but the Jordan led bulls never lost 3 game in a row from 1990-1998...has anyone else played 626 games without losing 3 games in a row? I say that to say this... once Jordan got in a position to win... HE NEVER LOST.
And Jordan never choked to my knowledge. If there's footage of this shyt please share it but win or lose Jordan gave it his all. Thats why nikkas don't run around talking about "oh but he lost" we know he lost but he wasn't afraid of losing. Jordan has missed buzzer beaters... we talk about the ones he made because he kept the same energy and it got him to the promised land.
And Jordan never choked to my knowledge. If there's footage of this shyt please share it but win or lose Jordan gave it his all. Thats why nikkas don't run around talking about "oh but he lost" we know he lost but he wasn't afraid of losing. Jordan has missed buzzer beaters... we talk about the ones he made because he kept the same energy and it got him to the promised land.
MooseMouthMthafuga
Veteran
I don't even think Pip was Jimmy's level.I put him a notch or two below.Jimmy can take over games & dominate whole playoff series.Only thing Pip did better was facilitate.I'm taking Jimmy & sleeping good at night.
Put prime Jordan on the Heatles and they probably go 82-0 and sweep the playoffs... put prime Bron on the 96 Bulls and they probably don't go 72-10.... honestly the bulls would struggle to win a chip with Bron if they even make it to the finals.
Flywin Lannister
Superstar
Not reading all that.It’s not that Jordan won 6 Championships.
Or that he was 6–0 in the Finals with 6 Finals MVPs.
It’s not that he won 10 scoring titles. Or 3 steals titles. Or 5 MVPs.
It’s not that he’s the all-time leader in PPG in the regular season, and in the playoffs.
It wasn’t the 2 3-peats. It wasn’t that he also had multiple first team selections for all-NBA and all-defense. It wasn’t that DPoY, the RoY, or the times he risked his reputation in the Slam Dunk contest, winning 2 out of 3. Or that he consistently took every challenge or defeat and turned it into a “then I took it personal” moment. It wasn’t that he made shaving your head cool, or pioneered having a brand in his name, or made baggy shorts - thankfully - take over as a style.
Jordan was great because he won his 6 Rings while also winning the scoring titles while also winning the steals title (at times) while also winning the MVP (at times - and if not, he took it personal), while also being voted first team defense, while also being All-NBA first team.. you get the picture.
He did it all at the same time.
And *how* he did it almost mattered as much as what he did.
He had near flawless fundamentals honed through years of rigorous discipline and practice, but layered on top of those mechanics an unparalleled panache for improvisation and artistry. There was no situation MJ was unprepared for, because he had either rehearsed it, or was able to adjust on the spot.
The league feared him. The league depended on him. Players and fans revered him. He did all of this in 11 full seasons with Chicago. He did most of this while being told he couldn’t do it. He climbed the NBA mountain, and once he got to the top, no one kicked him off except when he decided to step down.
Wilt’s legend was based on stats.
Russell’s legend was built on winning.
Kreem’s legend was built on accomplishments and having an unstoppable move.
Shaq’s legend is built on dominance.
Kobe’s legend stems from obsessive work ethic.
LeBron’s legend is about longevity and influence.
Jordan’s legend is turning into myth because he had all of the above, at the same time, and it was all based on reality and not hyperbole.
Players wear 23 because of him. Players want their own shoe deal because of him. LeBron throws chalk up before the game because of him, and made Space Jam 2 to follow in his footsteps. After the Last Dance, everyone started to produce their own docu-series. Players have the salaries and endorsements they do because of him. The game went global because of him.
Jordan remains larger than life not only for becoming a brand, but also being the standard that every player since has tried to live up to, emulate, or surpass. No one has yet succeeded.
It’s like what Han Solo was telling Rey and Finn - those stories? All of them? They were all true.
Via: Quora
MJ is the goat - there is no debate here.
Who is #2 all time - that is a debate (it’s Kobe for me)
Also “Via: Quora” means “white boy’s opinion”
Be careful @TAYLONDO SAMSWORTHY people might thing you believe that nonsense.
Agreed.. I don't hate pip and always give him his props but he bout to fukk around and catch some strays in this thread. we all know the story of Jordan at the point... people make it seem like scottie was some mythical facilitator as if Jordan couldn't pass or run the offense just as well.
You make your teammates All Stars by making them better.
And you do that by, you know... actually passing them the ball...
Turning nikkas to spot up shooters isn't making them better. Jordan instilled a winning culture in his team to the point where they made a deep run after he retired. Lebron is known for trading away teammates when his 2K simulation doesn't go according to plan
DoubleClutch
Superstar
Reason 19835838 why MJ stans are delusional
Not reading all that.
MJ is the goat - there is no debate here.
Who is #2 all time - that is a debate (it’s Kobe for me)
Also “Via: Quora” means “white boy’s opinion”
Be careful @TAYLONDO SAMSWORTHY people might thing you believe that nonsense.
1. Bron #2
2. I get these random Quora questions/answers to my email, what you mean white boy’s opinion
3. Kobe top 10 in my opinion
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his shoes fire so it must remain