Why Do People Use Terms Like B.C/A.D If You Dont Believe In Jesus?

[Type Username Here]

I mean, not to defend Christianity, but I find the Trinity about as absurd as I find the idea that winged horses flew a man's body over a city to heaven.

What makes anyone draw the line at the trinity but not at flying winged horses?

 

[Chris.B]

the 3 divine entities are rolled up into one, but aren't seperate but are one?

Does that make any sense?

Does that seem like the belief of a Monotheistic religion? Christians say its a "Mystery of Faith, not to be understood by humans"

what the fukk?

◄ Genesis 1:26 ►
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Once you understand why those words were used, you will understand the trinity.

 

[Broke Wave]

Are you really using the Bible to justify the existence of Islam before any other Abrahamic religion? :jada:

Well since we are quoting Bible lets begin (you just stepped in trying to debate a Biblical student, you are in trouble now)

No way you go to heaven or saved without believing in Jesus.





Let's talk about the prophesy of John in the book of Revelation, that should really tell us if Jesus is heaven and seated at the right hand side of God the father. Jesus wears a crown in heaven, which signifies he is also God.



Lord Jesus is seated in heaven as I type. His existence is verified.

Christians believe in the trinity, three gods in One.

that would be too much for you Muslims to grasp.

Islam existence came into being hundreds of years after Christ, You can go back and reach all you want historical documents show PROOF that the religion was not in existence till at least 500 years or more after Christ

3 Gods in one exactly, you guys are not believing in the ONE Abrahamic god that Muslims do

Trying to quote PAUL when talking about JESUS is a bad idea... Paul distorted the teachings of Jesus to his own benefit. Even in your quote, he said believe in "THE LORD JESUS CHRIST" when Jesus NEVER referred to himself as the Lord AT ALL, EVER.

As far as Jesus saying he was the way, the truth, and the light, he certainly was, as the Prophet of the almighty God. But he further said, NOBODY, comes to the FATHER, except through him, and his message. Why would people need to come to the Father, if he was god himself? Does this "Father" outrank Jesus in the scale of gods? Paul tells people they must accept Jesus as god, when Jesus never said anything that direct, ever.

As far as John's mushroom induced book of Revelation, that is clearly and totally ... Why in the hell would I listen to a person who doesn't even CLAIM to be messenger of God? Who is John to have the authority to tell anyone what he saw? He himself does not claim any authority, so how can he give anyone revelations? Use the words of JESUS to talk about his message, not the words of other men.

◄ Genesis 1:26 ►
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Once you understand why those words were used, you will understand the trinity.

Speaking in the plural only indicates the author is using the Royal third person. The Qu'ran speaks in the third person. It is a common way to speak... it does NOT indicate plural authors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural

 

[Chris.B]

3 Gods in one exactly, you guys are not believing in the ONE Abrahamic god that Muslims do

Trying to quote PAUL when talking about JESUS is a bad idea... Paul distorted the teachings of Jesus to his own benefit. Even in your quote, he said believe in "THE LORD JESUS CHRIST" when Jesus NEVER referred to himself as the Lord AT ALL, EVER.

As far as Jesus saying he was the way, the truth, and the light, he certainly was, as the Prophet of the almighty God. But he further said, NOBODY, comes to the FATHER, except through him, and his message. Why would people need to come to the Father, if he was god himself? Does this "Father" outrank Jesus in the scale of gods? Paul tells people they must accept Jesus as god, when Jesus never said anything that direct, ever.

As far as John's mushroom induced book of Revelation, that is clearly and totally ... Why in the hell would I listen to a person who doesn't even CLAIM to be messenger of God? Who is John to have the authority to tell anyone what he saw? He himself does not claim any authority, so how can he give anyone revelations? Use the words of JESUS to talk about his message, not the words of other men.

What did Jesus mean when he said before Abraham he was there
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Certainly he would have to be God to be around even before Abraham?

Without believing in Jesus there IS no salvation. Islam is too new my friend, compared to Christianity....

 

[Type Username Here]

God, I love religious vs religious debates

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

did this thread turn into?

 

[BlvdBrawler]

:???:

The same reason we use money with "In god we trust" printed on it or state the pledge of allegiance "one nation under god".

I'll let you figure it out from here. I'm not hopeful for your chances of uncovering the answer, tho.

 

[daze23]

All of the theories try to explain his existence.

Among the variants of the Jesus myth theory, the first position, i.e. that Jesus never existed has the least amount of scholarly support, and although some modern scholars adhere to it, they remain a distinct minority.

 

[Broke Wave]

What did Jesus mean when he said before Abraham he was there
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Certainly he would have to be God to be around even before Abraham?

Without believing in Jesus there IS no salvation. Islam is too new my friend, compared to Christianity....

Another

Anything according to your theology that existed before Abraham was god? The Angels which Christians believe in and Muslims as well, such as Gabriel, existed according to our theologies BEFORE Abraham. Infact, SATAN can make the exact same claim, before Abraham was, he is. The idea that Jesus was walking around, with god at age 33, sorry AS god at age 33 () and decided to turn into a baby into a womb and die for sins is even more laughable.

This is what the Bible says to JEREMIAH

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Who is giving you these terrible arguments?

 

[daze23]

God, I love religious vs religious debates

how did I get stuck in the middle?

 

[Type Username Here]

how did I get stuck in the middle?

I don't know.

Sit back and enjoy the cognitive dissonance.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Doesn't look like very serious or prevalent support for that theory. Which was your original assertion.

 

[Chris.B]

Another

Anything according to your theology that existed before Abraham was god? The Angels which Christians believe in and Muslims as well, such as Gabriel, existed according to our theologies BEFORE Abraham. Infact, SATAN can make the exact same claim, before Abraham was, he is. The idea that Jesus was walking around, with god at age 33, sorry AS god at age 33 () and decided to turn into a baby into a womb and die for sins is even more laughable.

This is what the Bible says to JEREMIAH



Who is giving you these terrible arguments?

The problem with this argument of reaching into Judaism to claim connection to Islam is really just that....REACHING.

No one on this earth recognized Islam till many years after Christ...you can look into other Biblical and torah books to justify Islam being old fact of the matter is.

Prophet Isaiah prophesied about Jesus long before he was born.

Why don't you use Islamic evidence to justify how old Islam is why reach for Books in the Bible?

Surely there has to be something in Islam to help you? :obama3:

Unless you believe the old testament is followed by Islam.

if that's the case do Muslims believe Jews are the only chosen people by God since that is the main running theme in the Old testament and primary focus of Judaism? Which even led to the creation of a modern day Jewish state?

This is about to get interesting...stay tuned

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

 

[Type Username Here]

Can't we all agree that both Christians and Muslims stole the Jews' steez?

Jews running this shyt brehs Creating two offshoot religions for the gentiles and goyim to follow and kill over.