Why Do People Use Terms Like B.C/A.D If You Dont Believe In Jesus?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

That seems like the traditional views of Christians, what is the difference between the views of the Nestorians and that of regular Christianity?

There has never been a 'traditional' or 'regular' view of Christianity. Just those more prominent than others. The Qu'ran only references those with very particular beliefs that were NOT the 'Trinity Doctrine' created in Nicea and cannot be reconciled to include it based upon textual exegisis and historical fact verified by Islamic scholars.​

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

@Slaimon when will you move out of the West As you well know, Sharia law (true law of God) is not practiced by Americans

PEACE.

 

[Broke Wave]

There has never been a 'traditional' or 'regular' view of Christianity. Just those more prominent than others. The Qu'ran only references those with very particular beliefs that were NOT the 'Trinity Doctrine' created in Nicea and cannot be reconciled to include it based upon textual exegisis and historical fact verified by Islamic scholars.​

The views described in the Quran was the Trinity... what exactly are you saying?

People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The views described in the Quran was the Trinity... what exactly are you saying?

The term 'Trinity' never appears in the Qu'ran.....

Sura 4:171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

The Bible doesn't refer to J as the 'son of Mary'. J was referred to as the 'son of Joseph'. What I'm saying is the Qu'ran isn't referring to the Trinity at all.​

 

[Broke Wave]

The term 'Trinity' never appears in the Qu'ran.....



The Bible doesn't refer to J as the 'son of Mary'. J was referred to as the 'son of Joseph'. What I'm saying is the Qu'ran isn't referring to the Trinity at all.​

Not true again... while the term "Trinity" doesn't appear in the Qur'an the Idea of Allah, the Father being one of three is clearly what is being discussed. Furthermore, the idea of a Trinity in and of itself is a logical fallacy... therefore God the Father dismisses it... The Quran's author is the same Father that Jesus calls to for help and Christians consider to be one of three.

What is the purpose of these semantics anyway? What is the point you are trying to make? Are you trying to say that Christians do not worship 3 gods when they clearly do? Are you trying to rationalize the trinity? Are you trying to say Christians don't deify the Virgin Mary? Make a point and we'll talk about it.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Not true again... while the term "Trinity" doesn't appear in the Qur'an the Idea of Allah, the Father being one of three is clearly what is being discussed.

Eisegesis is not valid for the purpose of interpreting text and especially unnecessary when there is a reliable line of transmission as to what is being stated. The Qu'ran makes no mention of Trinity Doctrine whatsoever, but specifically indemnifies a heretical view involving Mary that disappeared in the 5th century.

The Quran's author is the same Father that Jesus calls to for help and Christians consider to be one of three.

You don't understand Trinity Doctrine, either. They don't consider 'G-d' 'one of three'.

What is the purpose of these semantics anyway?

To educate you.

What is the point you are trying to make?

That you have the correct premise, but have reached an incorrect conclusion.

Are you trying to say that Christians do not worship 3 gods when they clearly do?

AFAIK, they worship One 'G-d'. Who are the other 2?

Are you trying to rationalize the trinity?

Nope. Just stating that there is nothing in the Qu'ran about it.

Are you trying to say Christians don't deify the Virgin Mary?

Catholics have different levels of respect: Latria, Dulia and Hyperdulia. Latria is reserved ONLY to 'G-d' and is the total worship of mind, body and soul. Dulia is reserved for honoring Saints, role models and heroes. Hyperdulia is unique to Mary and places her above cherubim/seraphim, but nowhere near 'G-d'.

Make a point and we'll talk about it.

I've made it and supported it.​

 

[Broke Wave]

Eisegesis is not valid for the purpose of interpreting text and especially unnecessary when there is a reliable line of transmission as to what is being stated. The Qu'ran makes no mention of Trinity Doctrine whatsoever, but specifically indemnifies a heretical view involving Mary that disappeared in the 5th century.



You don't understand Trinity Doctrine, either. They don't consider 'G-d' 'one of three'.



To educate you.



That you have the correct premise, but have reached an incorrect conclusion.



AFAIK, they worship One 'G-d'. Who are the other 2?



Nope. Just stating that there is nothing in the Qu'ran about it.



Catholics have different levels of respect: Latria, Dulia and Hyperdulia. Latria is reserved ONLY to 'G-d' and is the total worship of mind, body and soul. Dulia is reserved for honoring Saints, role models and heroes. Hyperdulia is unique to Mary and places her above cherubim/seraphim, but nowhere near 'G-d'.



I've made it and supported it.​

I see the point of your not so clever trick. Christians do worship three gods. Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, but did he create the Universe? Did the Father create the Universe? Do all 3 = 1 God? Do the three seperate parts of god have equal powers? It is a astronomical fallacy invented by Paul when Jesus himself never said any of this, and in fact called people to worship the one true God.

As far as Catholicism, they have a series of demi-gods and saints they worship who can grant intercession and healing... nothing more than deities to me... if the Pope thanked the Virgin Mary for him surviving his shooting, he believes she has the ability to do such a thing. It is all polytheism.'

As far as the Quran talking about a specific 5th century view, show me where the Quran outlines this 5th century heretical view and contrast it with mainstream Christianity.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I see the point of your not so clever trick. Christians do worship three gods.

Reading what is in the Qu'ran is a trick? Maybe in some Middle Eastern/S.E. Asian/African communities where literacy is very low, but not here in America. Who are the other 2?

As far as Catholicism, they have a series of demi-gods and saints they worship who can grant intercession and healing... nothing more than deities to me... if the Pope thanked the Virgin Mary for him surviving his shooting, he believes she has the ability to do such a thing. It is all polytheism.'

Polytheism is the worship of multiple g-ds. Catholics worship (Latria) only one and honor (Dulia) the Saints and others as has already been discussed. There is no Mass for any Saints or Mary. Your opinion as to their deification is incorrect.

As far as the Quran talking about a specific 5th century view, show me where the Quran outlines this 5th century heretical view and contrast it with mainstream Christianity.

I have already shown you and the prevalent view of those who ascribe to the Trinity say it consists of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, not 'G-d', Jesus and Mary as stated in the Qu'ran.
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[YoungMasterGold]

All hail Odin, for today is Wednesday. Tomorrow we celebrate the trueness of Thor. I know no one would invoke those gods every week if they didn't TRULY believe in the Nordic gods. And don't get me started on Maia in May, or Juno in June. I find I use them more than A.D. and B.C., but that's just me.

 

[Broke Wave]

Reading what is in the Qu'ran is a trick? Maybe in some Middle Eastern/S.E. Asian/African communities where literacy is very low, but not here in America. Who are the other 2?



Polytheism is the worship of multiple g-ds. Catholics worship (Latria) only one and honor (Dulia) the Saints and others as has already been discussed. There is no Mass for any Saints or Mary. Your opinion as to their deification is incorrect.



I have already shown you and the prevalent view of those who ascribe to the Trinity say it consists of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, not 'G-d', Jesus and Mary as stated in the Qu'ran.
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The trick you are trying to pull here is that Mary is not a diety in Christianity, when she clearly is. She is used as intercessor and granter of favors and healing... the powers of GOD. Mary is even called the MOTHER OF GOD... You're going to give me some bullshyt about how that is a honorific title, well why isn't SON of God?

The ONE you Christians claim to worship is actually three, and there is no disputing that. You can try and pull sophist tricks, but there is no defending your Trinitarian "Holy Mystery" in comparison to HIM whom has NO partners. Hindus believe their demigods are actually manifestations of a one true god, Brahman. They are called polytheists, but they wouldn't really see it as such, as they all worship a singular god. This is the same thing you're doing... the Trinity was invented by the Anti-Christ PAUL.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The trick you are trying to pull here is that Mary is not a diety in Christianity, when she clearly is.

The only people who deified her in any way, shape or form were in the 5th Century in Arabia and were deemed heretics. They no longer exist. The Qur'an refers specifically to these heresies, not the Trinity Doctrine created in Nicea in the fourth century.

I'm a theological noncognitivist, not a theist, atheist or agnostic.​

 

[Blackking]

I'm a theological noncognitivist, not a theist, atheist or agnostic.[/CENTER]

What you are, isn't a separate thing from any of those 3. You are a form of one of those.

 

[Chris.B]

it's funny to me that a Muslim is reaching inside Judaism to justify how old Islam is when they is no record of Islam or Muhammad till at least 500 years after Christ.

Without fictional Muhammad there is no Islam. Muhammad showed up hundreds of years after Christ.

I can't take the religion seriously sorry playboi

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

What you are, isn't a separate thing from any of those 3. You are a form of one of those.

I'm a non-theist. Theists, atheists and agnostics all believe 'G-d' is a term that is meaningful. I don't. Every definition of this....entity.....is meaningless nonsense.
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[Blackking]

I'm a non-theist. Theists, atheists and agnostics all believe 'G-d' is a term that is meaningful. I don't. Every definition of this....entity.....is meaningless nonsense.
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lol, except for the fact that you know what it means, you talk about it's meaning, people debate their views on it, and it affects your life.

Upon narrowing your view further; you are basically saying that you are either a weak atheist or weak agnostic.. which one is it?

all these terms you are using are saying that- you can't say 'god' - because god doesn't exist.... and also because "God" does not refer to anything that does not exist. The term is meaningless. It's basically a way of not having to stand by any pov and crossing your arms across your chest in denial and covering your ears with your hands at the same time (which isn't possible)

Well if we are referring to it as not existing... then God does not exist - which why you are making no sense. The way that people like justify this conundrum is by claiming that the word God means nothing to you and has no literal significance.... which is simply not true.. Whether God exist or not.. the concept damn near defines the thoughts of humanity and has been with us forever. It is meaningful and significant (even in the case of God's nonexistence).

Your just cutting yourself with philosophical 'razors'