Why Do People Use Terms Like B.C/A.D If You Dont Believe In Jesus?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Christians actually beleive in 3 gods, you guys are a polytheist religion. You believe in a "Father" who is the Abrahamic god, with all his traits, you believe in Jesus Christ, his son, and a strange variation and new innovation called the Holy Ghost, which is usually manifest in Jesus mother Mary. In order to rectify this, you guys invented the Trinity, which is by far the most nonsensical religious doctrine.

This is absolutely incorrect. Catholics don't worship Mary as part of the Trinity or three 'G-ds'. The verses in the Qu'ran that talk about this are actually referring to a heretical sect of Arabs in the 4th Century known as Collyridians.....

http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/COLLYRID.TXT

Most of the early heresies were Trinitarian and Christological in nature, but Collyridianism stood alone as a heresy that sought to deify the Blessed Virgin Mary. Little is known about the movement's theology. Not even the names of the group's leaders are mentioned by writers of the time. This sect's excessive Marian devotion developed into the idolatry of Mary worship. This aberration grew out of the Church's rightful veneration of Mary as ever-virgin, Mother of God, and powerful heavenly intercessor, but crossed the line of orthodoxy when certain Christians began to worship Mary as divine. Details about the Collyridians are scanty, but one of the few specifics we know of them is that at their liturgical service bread was offered as a sacrifice to Mary.

 

[daze23]

Doesn't look like very serious or prevalent support for that theory. Which was your original assertion.

assertions

 

[Broke Wave]

The problem with this argument of reaching into Judaism to claim connection to Islam is really just that....REACHING.

No one on this earth recognized Islam till many years after Christ...you can look into other Biblical and torah books to justify Islam being old fact of the matter is.

Prophet Isaiah prophesied about Jesus long before he was born.

Why don't you use Islamic evidence to justify how old Islam is why reach for Books in the Bible?

Surely there has to be something in Islam to help you? :obama3:

Unless you believe the old testament is followed by Islam.

if that's the case do Muslims believe Jews are the only chosen people by God since that is the main running theme in the Old testament and primary focus of Judaism? Which even led to the creation of a modern day Jewish state?

This is about to get interesting...stay tuned

The Qu'ran references many of the Old Testament prophets and Jesus, and
I keep trying to explain to you that Islam simply means SUBMISSION to the one god. Abraham was a Muslim and so were the other prophets. You have to understand that Abraham, Moses, etc did not ever mention a trinity, and when they spoke it was about and to a singular GOD. they did not speak to Jesus or the "Holy Spirit", they simply spoke to HIM. "Judaism" is also an innovation, with the invention of the Talmud and the institution of the Synagogue, which is NOWHERE in the words of the Prophets.

The Qu'ran is according to Islam the continuation of the faith of the prophets... We do not believe in the Old or New testaments completely because they are CLEARLY corrupt, but do not discard the whole books because there is some truth to them. We do not believe Jews are a chosen people.

Now you're jumping and making a claim about Isiah, why don't you quote the scripture in Isiah with the full context?

This is absolutely incorrect. Christians don't worship Mary as part of the Trinity or three 'G-ds'. The verses in the Qu'ran that talk about this are actually referring to a heretical sect of Arabs in the 4th Century known as Collyridians.....

http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/COLLYRID.TXT

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Not entirely true, especially that part about the Quran... but the Trinity is still polytheism. Furthermore, what I said about Mary is true in the Catholic Church, which is the largest denomination of Christianity... they believe Mary is a vessel of the Holy Ghost, and that the Catholic Church IS the holy ghost... more insanity.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Can't we all agree that both Christians and Muslims stole the Jews' steez?

Jews running this shyt brehs Creating two offshoot religions for the gentiles and goyim to follow and kill over.

and both relgions are not allowed to charge interest on loans.

This has been a banking conspiracy since the jump.

 

[Robbie3000]

Did not read the whole thread so i don't know if this was brought up, but does TS believe in Greekm Gods or does he use differently terminology to refer to the planets or the days of the week?

 

[Type Username Here]

and both relgions are not allowed to charge interest on loans.


This has been a banking conspiracy since the jump.

Damn. I never thought of that So obvious too.

God damn genius.

Did not read the whole thread so i don't know if this was brought up, but does TS believe in Greekm Gods or does he use differently terminology to refer to the planets or the days of the week?

Checkmate.

 

[daze23]

I was hoping we could talk about metric time, and I got dragged into Historical Jesus

 

[Broke Wave]

*wins theology debate*


My god can beat up your god

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

Did not read the whole thread so i don't know if this was brought up, but does TS believe in Greekm Gods or does he use differently terminology to refer to the planets or the days of the week?

 

[Fillerguy]

the ignorance

 

[Fillerguy]

and both relgions are not allowed to charge interest on loans.

This has been a banking conspiracy since the jump.

Jews are allowed to charge interest on non Jews.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Jews are allowed to charge interest on non Jews.

typical jew move

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Not entirely true, especially that part about the Quran.

I beg to differ.....

Sura 5:72 They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

Sura 5:73 They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

Sura 5:74 So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Who is 'them/they'?......

Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs -
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Allah then revealed about the Nestorian Christians of Najran who claimed that Jesus was the son of Allah and that Jesus and the Lord are partners, saying: (O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate) do not be extreme (in your religion) for this is not the right course (nor utter aught concerning Allah save the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary) and through His word he became a created being, (and a spirit from Him) and through His command, Jesus became a son without a father. (So believe in Allah and His messengers) all the messengers including Jesus, (and say not “Three”) a son, father and wife. (Cease!) from making such a claim and repent ((it is) better for you!) than such a claim. (Allah is only One God) without a son or partner. (Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth) are His servants. (And Allah is sufficient as Defender) as Lord of all created beings and He is witness of what He says about Jesus.

 

[Broke Wave]

I beg to differ.....

Who is 'them/they'?......

Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs -
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That seems like the traditional views of Christians, what is the difference between the views of the Nestorians and that of regular Christianity?

Furthermore, the Quran talks in general about Christianity and the idea that Jesus is the son of god.

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam . . .

 

[ltheghost]

Real talk I only use BC when I'm talking about Dinosaurs. And I don't even know why. LOL