Okay...
Go argue your point with the pioneer himself. Words from Afrika Bambattas own mouth back in 1996:
First of all this is an authority argument, a fallacy. Based on Afrika Bambatta's morally questionable behavior and the fact you failed to cherry-pick any other pioneers to back what you say makes your point insincere.
But this is your Hip Hop historian king who was saying this just 6 years ago.
To Tariq's credit, he's not a historian. He knows history, he does not and has not studied history with the purpose of pursuing an academic career as a historian to utilize an advanced skillset of research and analysis to prove his point the first time. Like a historian, his documentary makes use of primary and secondary sources to get closer to the truth of hip-hop's ethnic origins that are Black American - ADOS/FBA.
Afrika Bambatta and Tariq Nasheed are allowed to get it wrong because neither are an authority on the topic.
Afrika Bambatta's life as a hip-hop pioneer from its birth until now is not law. This has been a failing of Black America to accept what elders say as law without question as much as it is the fault of white systematic racism against Black people that discriminates against them in academic settings to cripple their ability to accurately tell their story and be a true authority. People like Tariq and Afrika Bambatta are working with what they know.
Wrong.
This has nothing to do with any of that stuff u are talking about. Way before this docu was a thing Tariq questioned why was Fat Joe hosting the BET Hip Hop awards for 2 years. He made it into a race thing by pointing out that Joe was Puerto Rican hosting a BET awards show. He attempted to bring Fat Joe into his Diaspoa War and he's been doing so for 3 years now. He literally questioned why a member of DITC was hosting a Hip Hop award show in the 2020's. None of that has to do with the origins of hip hop. Try again.
Tariq questioned why a Puerto-Rican hosted the Hip Hop Awards on Black Entertainment Television, and it was a valid question based on hip-hop's origins as Black American (ADOS/FBA) culture. As far as Tariq was concerned there were other qualified people who should have hosted - Lord Finesse, OC, Diamond D maybe. Fat Joe's impact on the culture does not give him the credit to host a cultural event. BET's Hip Hop Awards is a ADOS/FBA cultural event. It is disrespectful to have someone who is not from the ethnic group's culture hosting at their events.
Let's not act like DITC was them dudes during hip-hop's run in the 90s. Fat Joe wasn't even the best rapper in the group. DITC dropped their debut in 2000, well after the prime of most of their members and Fat Joe is better known through Big Pun than DITC member unless you know the history.
Since you want to appeal to authority, let's read it from Fat Joe himself:
Joseph Antonio Cartagena, p.k.a. Fat Joe, is one of Rap Music’s most influential artists. He was born and raised in the South Bronx area of New York City by parents of Puerto Rican and Cuban descent. Growing up he was constantly influenced by his family’s diverse passion for music and surroundings. Fat Joe found inspiration from his older brother and acclaimed fellow rappers, Big Pun, Theodore, Funky 4+1, and the Furious Five. Fat Joe explained how powerfully impacted he was by expressing, “Latinos before us who had the opportunity to do it just didn’t know how to do it. They came in trying to do this black music, waving flags, but we’re trying to kick in the doors for other Latinos and represent our people, and it shows.”
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Fat Joe acknowledges hip-hop is black music. Tariq is right, Afrika Bambatta is wrong. End of discussion.
Then he says "we're [Latinos] trying to kick in the doors for other Latinos and represent our people, and it shows."
Since he says hip-hop is black music and music is part of culture, why does he want to
kick in the doors of another people's culture?
This was Tariq's angle. It's disrespectful. Why? Because they have their own culture they can promote, but that is not what is happening... See below:
What connections does Joe have to Funk, Disco, and Jazz (the core ingredients of hiphop)? You cant use someone's culture then claim you ARE all it encompanses. Most hiphop dances are derivatives of jazz swing , funk dance, and tapdancing moves. Same with the sound. FOH
This idea that we got break dancing from latinos is a fabrication that more or less erases black american swing dancing, lindy hop, and tap dancing culture. Essentially, carribean and latino immigrants flooded new york and absorbed the culture that was already there.
The point that was being made was that the influences of hip-hop predate hip-hop and that the influences are Black American (ADOS/FBA). The ADOS/FBA influence on not just hip-hop but New York culture at the time was the strongest for Latinos and Caribbean immigrants because they weren't accepted in white culture, since these immigrant groups shared neighborhoods and schools with ADOS/FBA people, they soaked up Black American culture being around them.
That's called
assimilation. They culturally - not ethnically - assimilated into ADOS/FBA culture and shared hip-hop
after the fact. After it was already created from influences of funk, disco, jazz, R&B, and soul... when other groups are talking about they
helped to create hip-hop it's a lie because hip-hop was already created. In its infancy it was shared with others but it was not and can never be theirs.
That's not hating on other groups, they weren't needed when hip-hop was being developed, without them hip-hop would have still existed.
All I've seen is this shyt and a thread about the premier in NYC.
