Why are black people in south/Latin America completely missing from their society's public sphere?

[wheywhey]

George Reid Andrews is one of the premier writers in that sphere, if you want to read something thats more general I'd recommend this

Tho I might be able to make a recommendation on others if you wanted to know about Black people within a specific country. I still got that project comin for ya'll this year

I actually own this book. I'll make sure to read it this summer. In the next year, if you could recommend a book on a country that is not Brazil or Cuba, I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[superunknown23]

In Brazil, a mix of racial openness and exclusion

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Many Brazilians cast their country as racial democracy where people of different groups long have intermarried, resulting in a large mixed-race population. But you need only turn on the TV, open the newspaper or stroll down the street to see clear evidence of segregation.

In Brazil, whites are at the top of the social pyramid, dominating professions of wealth, prestige and power. Dark-skinned people are at the bottom of the heap, left to clean up after others and take care of their children and the elderly.

The 2010 census marked the first time in which black and mixed-race people officially outnumbered whites, weighing in at just over 50 percent, compared with 47 percent for whites. Researchers suggest that Brazil actually may have been a majority-nonwhite country for some time, with the latest statistics reflecting a decreased social stigma that makes it easier for nonwhites to report their actual race.

It is a mix of anomalies in Brazil that offers lessons to a United States now in transition to a "majority-minority" nation: how racial integration in social life does not always translate to economic equality, and how centuries of racial mixing are no guaranteed route to a colorblind society.

Nearly all TV news anchors in Brazil are white, as are the vast majority of doctors, dentists, fashion models and lawyers. Most maids and doormen, street cleaners and garbage collectors are black. There is only one black senator and there never has been a black president, though a woman, Dilma Rousseff, leads the country now.

A decade of booming economic growth and wealth-redistribution schemes has narrowed the income gap between blacks and whites, but it remains pronounced. In 2011, the average black or mixed-race worker earned just 60 percent what the average white worker made. That was up from 2001, when black workers earned 50.5 percent what white workers made, according to Brazil's national statistics agency.

Brazil recently instituted affirmative action programs to help boost the numbers of black and mixed-race college students, though both groups continue to be proportionally underrepresented at the nation's universities. They made up just 10 percent of college students in 2001, and now account for 35 percent. Those numbers probably will continue to rise because of a new law that reserves half the spots in federal universities for high school graduates of public schools and distributes them according to states' racial makeup.

Still, black faces remain the exception at elite colleges.

Nubia de Lima, a 29-year-old black producer for Globo television network, said she experiences racism on a daily basis, in the reactions and comments of strangers who are constantly taking her for a maid, a nanny or a cook, despite her flair for fashion and pricey wardrobe.

"People aren't used to seeing black people in positions of power," she said. "It doesn't exist. They see you are black and naturally assume that you live in a favela (hillside slum) and you work as a housekeeper."

She said upper middle-class black people like her are in a kind of limbo, too affluent and educated to live in favelas but still largely excluded from high-rent white neighborhoods.

"Here it's a racism of exclusion," de Lima said

http://news.yahoo.com/brazil-mix-racial-openness-exclusion-115423389.html

Brazil faces issues around racism despite image

Still, they are more accustomed to saying this is a country free of prejudice, and the subject is rarely discussed openly and seldom makes the news. Many hold to the myth of a ''racial democracy'' because the country never had laws separating the races.

''The Brazilian form of racism is worse than apartheid because it works on the basis of deception,'' said Elisa Larkin Nascimento, director of the Afro-Brazilian Studies and Research Institute in Rio.

''There is denial,'' she added. ''Many people - particularly the ruling class - say there is no racism. With that stance, you are left with nothing to talk about.''

Over the last few decades, Brazil has begun to introduce affirmative-action programs, African diaspora history is being taught in schools, and a cabinet-level position has been created to deal with racial equality.

''The biggest leap was to get the society to talk about racism and realize that, in fact, it does exist in Brazil,'' said Larkin Nascimento, who wrote the book ''The Sorcery of Color: Identity, Race and Gender in Brazil.''

Settled by Portuguese and a mix of other Europeans, Brazil imported about 5 million slaves - 10 times more than the United States - and ended slavery in 1888. That was 25 years after the United States banned the practice.

Blacks in Brazil earn about half of what whites do, and there is only one black minister in Rousseff's cabinet. The first black justice on Brazil's supreme court - Joaquim Barbosa, who rose to chief justice - recently announced his retirement. Magazine covers seldom feature a black face, movies often feature all white casts and the very popular soap operas feature mostly white actors.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/brazil-faces-issues-around-racism-080539965--sow.html

Brazil Racism Out of View at World Cup

SALVADOR, BRAZIL —
Football's (soccer's) World Cup will end this Sunday in Brazil, a nation with the world's largest black population outside of Africa. Although many Brazilians think of their country as the model of race relations, racism is a hidden reality.

On the country's Atlantic shore, the tropical city of Salvador de Bahia faces the African coastline far beyond the horizon. It's a city symbolic for Brazil's African roots.

Slavery was abolished in Brazil in 1888 and here, more than anywhere else, the links with Africa are evident. In Salvador, African descendants represent more than 80 percent of the population. In Brazil, more than 50 percent of the population is of "metis," or mixed-race - and social contact, friendships and marriage between the races are common.

However, on television or seen from abroad, Brazil still portrays a white image. Blacks, indigenous or other non-white people are seen less than whites on TV commercials and programs.

Racism is both everywhere and invisible, and has its effect on education, employment, income and life expectancy.

Celene Fonseca, an anthropologist, explains why racism is hidden in Brazil.

"You have the formal democracy in Brazil, but we are not part of it. Black, Indian, Metis people in general, we are not here," she said. "In Brazil, there is an apartheid who does not say its name. We are servants of the white people, even if we represent the overwhelming majority of the population."

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff says she wanted to have a World Cup without racism; but, outside the stadiums, the reality is different for black people. Social worker Elaine Amazonas describes the daily humiliations.

"The restaurants... the stores you go to, the grocery stores when you go shopping, the security guy accompanying you," she said. "It's a daily thing."

Black teenagers are the first victims of the current situation. According to Suely Santos Souza from the Unified Black Movement, nine out of 10 children killed between the ages of 12 and 23 are black.

In education, the situation started changing when the Brazilian government enacted sweeping affirmative action laws two years ago to vastly increase the number of university students of African descent. Before this, only 1 percent of students at the university were black. Today, they represent 11 percent.

Suely Santos Souza works mostly to change to content of the programs at school.

"Nowadays in Brazil, it is mandatory to learn at school the history of African descendants and Indian people," she said. "It is one of the accomplishments of the Unified Black Movement."

Politicians are viewed as conservative and minorities face challenges to be elected to office or hold high government positions. The renowned musician Gilberto Gil, who is of African descent, was Brazil's culture minister between 2003 and 2008. Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Joaquim Barbosa, who is black, announced he would retire from the court and might run one day for office. But these examples are few.

The fight will be long and Salvador resident Anna Peskine, 67, is desperate to see changes. Peskine lives in both Brazil and France.

"Racism exists everywhere. In France, I accept it because I am a foreigner and black in the country of the whites," she said. "But here, at home, it is very difficult. In Brazil, I am not home."

Such comments make clear that Brazil still has a long way to go to achieve racial equality among its citizens.

http://www.voanews.com/content/brazil-hidden-racism-world-cup/1953533.html

and this is the most "tolerant" of South American nations...

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm talking about Univision and other Spanish channels,have you ever watched a Spanish channel in the us, and of course I'm including mexico, in Mexican tv everybody is white, there no mestizos and no Indians

I'm talking about just about every single show, there are hardly any black people and hardly any Indians in Spanish TV

Just about every American soap opera has a black couple, and telenovelas are known for having black actors as slaves and servants, for you to call that diversity is nutty, that's like saying gone with the wind was diverse because of maami

There is no logical reason to exclude telenovelas, when it's what Latin American TV is most famous for

What I want to know is how many black people have their own shows and movies, how many black directors are there?

so you're basing your opinion on an entire continent based of a country with hardly any black people, while not even beginning to say anything about the ones that do such as Brazil.

Good job there winner. City of Men was a black tv show in Brazil. There are many, MANY brazilian moves that are black. Do your research. Not all of latin american countries have black people. in fact half do not, the 1/3 have a very small percentage, and the ones that do...the other 1/3 does in fact have black people in them, the same amount as the U.S. just under (since Hollywood is far more massive than what they have).

I was just watching Mango Yellow (brazilian flick) and of course it has black people in it, last week it was Paperboy, the lead fukking actor is black wtf. Are you people fukking kidding me? Brazilian movies MOS DEF have black people in them. Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba, P. Rico, places that have a pretty sizable amount of black people do. As for Mexico, they do not, and basing your entire opinion of a continent based off one country, is fukking absurd.

and I dont really give a shyt about indios, thats their fight not mine.

The problem is youve got a bunch of bleeding heart liberal cacs who write articles as if they know what the fukk is going on, when they dont. Could there be more black people? of course. There could be more in the Brazilian fashion world, I went to fashion week and altho they had a few black models, there could have been more, but it wasnt any different than what I see in the U.S. I mean black people arent buying high end fashion like that, so I guess there's no need. If it were urban wear gear, I could see the outrage, but its not.

You want to include soaps, then include american soaps and state black people have no representation in america media because of that. Hear how stupid that sounds.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

So you are saying the only show that you can think with a lot of black GUESTS is a prison show, and a show about the ghetto

And you do realize that in the United States black people STAR in their own shows right, you are here bragging about guests

Why don't you tell us the black stars in Latin America that are versions of black American superstars

What show exactly on prime time TV are black people staring in? Not cable but prime time.

You're trying to compare Latin America to HOLLYWOOD? are you fukking kidding me? the only 2 countries with big budget movies are Brazil and Mexico, Mexico doesnt have enough black people and Brazil MOST DEF has black superstars. Holy shyt.

oh and the movie isn't a prison movie, its about paramilitary, and MOST of th paramilitary are mixed/black. Its because it takes place in a predominately black state, smart ass.

If there's one thing I know about, its south america and south american tv. I don't plan on moving there in the next 2-3 years for nothing.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Well to be honest blacks in the DR are not underrepresented when it comes to miss world or modelling. Many of the contestants I seen would pass for black in the USA.

 

[Chris.B]

and this is the most "tolerant" of South American nations...

In education, the situation started changing when the Brazilian government enacted sweeping affirmative action laws two years ago to vastly increase the number of university students of African descent. Before this, only 1 percent of students at the university were black. Today, they represent 11 percent.

SMH.

 

[theworldismine13]

so you're basing your opinion on an entire continent based of a country with hardly any black people, while not even beginning to say anything about the ones that do such as Brazil.

Good job there winner. City of Men was a black tv show in Brazil. There are many, MANY brazilian moves that are black. Do your research. Not all of latin american countries have black people. in fact half do not, the 1/3 have a very small percentage, and the ones that do...the other 1/3 does in fact have black people in them, the same amount as the U.S. just under (since Hollywood is far more massive than what they have).

I was just watching Mango Yellow (brazilian flick) and of course it has black people in it. Are you people fukking kidding me? Brazilian movies MOS DEF have black people in them. Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba, P. Rico, places that have a pretty sizable amount of black people do. As for Mexico, they do not, and basing your entire opinion of a continent based off one country, is fukking absurd.

and I dont really give a shyt about indios, thats their fight not mine.

I'm basing my opinions on the history of Latin America, not on one country, and for the media I'm speaking about watching personally is Spanish television channels in america

But I've plenty of article discussing racism in Latin America media, specifically brazil

And its a completely lie that blacks are represented in media at the same level of American media, everybody here has watched city of god, why are you bragging about watching city of men, city of men does not represent Brazilian media, it's an outlier

Stop talking about how many blacks guests, American TV was having black guests since the 50's start naming the blacks that star in their in shows and the black directors and the black superstars

The point about Indians is that they make up way more than 12 percent in a lot of Latin countries and yet have zero presence, it's a sign of racism

 

[Larry Lobster]

nikka stop your fukking lying.

Oh im lying
I don't have to prove you shyt... anyway

Do you know who this guy is?

I bet you don't because you're not brazilian, but let me tell you about him. This guy is probably the favorite black person of Brazilians after Pele, and do you know why? Because he used to play the dumb negro stereotype... White people love this person because he played a character who enforced a negative role to the black population, he sure wasn't dumb in real life but he knew how he should "act" to gain popularity.

Just because there is a black person in a movie or tv show doesn't mean it is shown in a positive view. But i guess you know that right?

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Oh im lying
I don't have to prove you shyt... anyway

Do you know who this guy is?

I bet you don't because you're not brazilian, but let me tell you about him. This guy is probably the favorite black person of Brazilians after Pele, and do you know why? Because he used to play the dumb negro stereotype... White people love this person because he played a character who enforced a negative role to the black population, he sure wasn't dumb in real life but he knew how he should "act" to gain popularity.

Just because there is a black person in a movie or tv show doesn't mean it is shown in a positive view. But i guess you know that right?

Antonio Gomes.

nikka you dont know shyt. I can tell off top youve not lived in south america. you just pointed out an actor that was a sambo back when WE had black sambos.

nikka post present day actors. there's even a fukking pinecrest on brazilian black actors. this shyt was created by a black american who actually took the time to research their shyt.

http://www.pinterest.com/bwofbrazil/black-actors-and-black-actresses-of-brazil/

there are HUGE black movie stars in brazil wtf are you talking about nikka, just stop the bullshyt around, your ignorance is cringe worthy.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm basing my opinions on the history of Latin America, not on one country, and for the media I'm speaking about watching personally is Spanish television channels in america

But I've plenty of article discussing racism in Latin America media, specifically brazil

And its a completely lie that blacks are represented in media at the same level of American media, everybody here has watched city of god, why are you bragging about watching city of men, city of men does not represent Brazilian media, it's an outlier

Stop talking about how many blacks guests, American TV was having black guests since the 50's start naming the blacks that star in their in shows and the black directors and the black superstars

The point about Indians is that they make up way more than 12 percent in a lot of Latin countries and yet have zero presence, it's a sign of racism

Spanish TV in America = Mexican.

http://www.pinterest.com/bwofbrazil/black-actors-and-black-actresses-of-brazil/

sit down, stfu, do your research.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Lazaro Ramos

He's brazil's number one telenova black lead actor, and movie actor. Top 5 actors in brazil. He's considered the Will Smith of Brazil. His movies are fukking epic, tremendous actor, I wish he spoke enough english to come to america.

 

[mbewane]

Yeah, Columbia for example, has a 14 percent black population, which means Columbia has more black people percentage wise than the United States

The simple answer is that Latin America is a racist oppressive society against black people, in the us black people have exploited the concepts of liberty and freedom to advance our cause, in Latin America there is no real ingrained concept of freedom even if you are white

But also the racial mixture is different and the one drop rule is not as clear so it's easy for black people or mixed people to say they aren't black (or Indian)

But the real question is why are so many black Americans convinced that people from Latin America will unite with them against the "cac" when Latin America society is just as racist as the us, what makes people think that white people from England are different than white people from Spain?

Are you saying all white people are the same? Sounds like what white people say about Black people

Argentina is a special case though
Their level of racism is unmatched on the continent. They don't just hate blacks, they hate all the natives too (if you're not of European descent, you're a "negro" there). They see themselves as the Europeans of South America (a lot of them are of Italian descent)... Even though they're not even rich (Brazil is far richer).
That's why they are so hated all over the continent... Most of South America was rooting for Germany in the World Cup final

These two Mexican sisters I met at a bar in Paris were rooting hard for Germany

 

[Tommy Knocks]

My nikka Ramos was in Carandiru, Cafundó Woman on Top, Mademe Sata (won a shyt load of awards) , Lower City

This nikkas performance.

I forgot he was in Great Kilapy playing an angolan business man who gets bytches.

 

[theworldismine13]

What show exactly on prime time TV are black people staring in? Not cable but prime time.

You're trying to compare Latin America to HOLLYWOOD? are you fukking kidding me? the only 2 countries with big budget movies are Brazil and Mexico, Mexico doesnt have enough black people and Brazil MOST DEF has black superstars. Holy shyt.

oh and the movie isn't a prison movie, its about paramilitary, and MOST of th paramilitary are mixed/black. Its because it takes place in a predominately black state, smart ass.

If there's one thing I know about, its south america and south american tv. I don't plan on moving there in the next 2-3 years for nothing.

bruh do you know who the man in this smiley is that im about to respond with

the fuk is wrong with you asking what blacks are staring prime time? blacks have been primetimeing since the 70's,
there are more than a few black superstars and A listers and more than a few black directors

what is the brazilains and columbian equivalent to them

the size of the media industries has nothing to do with it, the issue is the percentage, do you know math?

shut the fuk up with city of men, we get that it has black people in it, we all saw the movie the show is based on, we also know that city of god is an outlier

 

[theworldismine13]

Are you saying all white people are the same? Sounds like what white people say about Black people

yep, that is exactly what im saying