Why are black people in south/Latin America completely missing from their society's public sphere?

[K.O.N.Y]

Whatever you think of the African American situation, you can't deny a huge progress has been made when it comes social advancement. There are black mayors, senators, attorney generals, and even the most powerful man in the country is black. African American influence/presence in the media is also very strong.

So how come our cousins south of the border haven't been able to replicate this? Even Brazil, which is supposed to have the biggest black population outside Africa has practically no black involvement in the public sphere. Any reason for this? Are they not as aggressive as African Americans when it comes to fighting for their rights or is there something else?

Are you AA?

 

[theworldismine13]

Who doesn't realize that Brazil is behind on any issue when it comes to the U.S.? It's the United States of America

And no the commonalities based within your premise are oversimplified.

- The situation with the natives is completely different than the U.S. seeing that they form a significant part of the population and are a significant factor at least politically in the majority of Latin America (and some even still retained their culture untouched from modern civilization unlike what's left of the native tribes in the U.S.)

- The slaves that came to the U.S. were mainly from modern-day Nigeria,Ghana, Benin, while the slaves in Brazil were mainly from Congo, Angola, Mozambique (aka different cultures, peoples and customs with different identities and responses to slavery)

-And just like the African slaves weren't all part of one monolithic group, the same applies for the European settlers. U know already about the first European settlers to the U.S. and how they helped influence the path of this great nation. On the other hand, Brazil was a Portuguese colony with a similar colonial style to Spain and most of the rest of Latin America were colonized by the Spanish whose colonial influences have a direct influence in the way they conduct themselves politically (Most latin american strongmen and dictators are just modern-day Caudillos from the colonial era). I'm not even gonna get into their racial caste system that is the root of their racial issues

But I digress.....my main point in my "incoherent argument" is that you can compare Brazil to the other former colonies of Portugal and Spain and get a quicker answer to whatever you're trying to figure out than attempting to compare it to the U.S.

Yeah your argument is incoherent, let me explain step by step

The question was asked why there seems to be a lack of black people in the public sphere in Latin America

I mentioned that the situation for black people in Latin America is the same or worse as in the us

People got mad at me for that

But the problem is that in your first sentence in your post you said that the us is ahead of Brazil in every issue including presumably race

So all you have done is cosign my point, you just admitted that Brazil is behind

And then you said it's wrong to compare Brazil and the us and then you wrote an essay comparing the us and Brazil

So I don't even have any response to your post, I actually cosign most of it since it's just backing up the point I'm making

 

[TRFG]

first of all stop calling me nikka

second of all, what is so important about now, are you trying to ignore the fact that there have been multiple black shows since the 70's

but lets talk about shows that are on now on primetime,









these are the ones with black stars, its not counting the black sidekick roles

outside of africa and the caribbean, the us is the only country where black people have any type of real media presence

even black people in the UK come to the us for better roles
Why do black actors like Idris Elba have to go to the US for success?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/26/black-british-actors-success-america-idris-elba

and this is from an industry that is racist as fukk, if brazil and columbia that have a higher percentage of black people cant match then you can extrapolate the level of racism in those countries

Because Hollywood pays more and the fact that big production companies are in the US.

 

[TRFG]

methinks you are painting too good of a picture, i have read and heard differently, i heard the racism is rampant in cuba

but my theory is that the coli saying that "cacs are gonna cac" is correct in analyzing the history of the americas, and the same people that founded the united states of america are the same people that founded most countries in latin america, people from the island of england and people from the iberian peninsula are the same people from the point of view of the african slave, the descendant of african slaves in the us were able to exploit legal mechanisms that did not exist in other parts of the americas and also the us is wealthier, those 2 things explain the greater public presence of blacks in the us compared to other parts of the america

You heard but it's not actually true. You know how many blacks from the Caribbean go Cuba to become doctors for free?

 

[TRFG]

What's interesting is how the Europeans that colonized North America didn't mix with the native population and slaves much.

But in Central & South America it's a completely different story.
Them Spaniards we're fukking like rabbits.

They tried to eliminate other ethnic groups through whitening (basically having IRs).. Hence all the mixed people in South America. Y'all never did Latin American History brehs?



Y'all dont understand mixed children were used as weapons to change the population.. Y'all gonna learn tho

 

[theworldismine13]

You heard but it's not actually true. You know how many blacks from the Caribbean go Cuba to become doctors for free?

Yeah so?

What we need to know is how many black people are part of the management of the Cuban schools

I'm not interested in who throws more crumbs at black people, the us will win that anyway, the issue is how is political and economic power distributed across racial lines

 

[theworldismine13]

They tried to eliminate other ethnic groups through whitening (basically having IRs).. Hence all the mixed people in South America. Y'all never did Latin American History brehs?



Y'all dont understand mixed children were used as weapons to change the population.. Y'all gonna learn tho

That's just interesting historical facts

How do these historical tidbits retort the assertion that the situation for black people in Latin America is the same or worse than for black people in the us?

 

[TRFG]

Yeah so?

What we need to know is how many black people are part of the management of the Cuban schools

I'm not interested in who throws more crumbs at black people, the us will win that anyway, the issue is how is political and economic power distributed across racial lines

you're just an idiot, becoming a MD is people throwing crumbs at black people now? What have you done with your life?

 

[theworldismine13]

you're just an idiot, becoming a MD is people throwing crumbs at black people now? What have you done with your life?

Yeah giving scholarships is throwing crumbs, we are discussing economic and political power along political lines, so we need to know what part of the management of these Cuban medical schools are black

 

[wheywhey]

Yeah so?

What we need to know is how many black people are part of the management of the Cuban schools

I'm not interested in who throws more crumbs at black people, the us will win that anyway, the issue is how is political and economic power distributed across racial lines

Castro eliminated overt racism when he took over. Cuba now practices discrete racism. Interracial couples are stopped by the police, supposedly to thwart prostitution, but in reality it is to limit the black population from growing. Cuba claims to be a third black but it is over 60% black. The false percentage of blacks allows the Cuban parliament to remain majority white with no top black officials.

Ninety percent of the people who left Cuba were white. The remittances that they send back go to their white family. Whites are also the ones who get tourist dollars. People (whites) who live in their families' old grand houses can run small restaurants out of the home. Jobs that require interaction with tourists go almost completely to whites: servers, maids, desk clerks, taxi drivers. These jobs are very lucrative because of the foreign money in tips.

In Cuba a nurse makes $25 a month. A doctor with two specialties makes $67 a month. Their salaries were just doubled this year. Cuban doctors sent to practice in Venezuela only receive a small stipend and Venezuela gives the rest of their pay to the Cuban government.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/12/09/cuba.us.race/index.html
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-05-31/news/0205310026_1_cubans-darker-skin-Havana
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/04/cuba-defends-record-on-race
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...es-for-doctors-nurses-to-as-much-as-67-month/