Why are black people in south/Latin America completely missing from their society's public sphere?

[theworldismine13]

thats funny because I met a black argentine, but I wont even say what he told me....ill let you go down there and talk to them yourself.

everything I say is lie....so I aint sharing shyt.

it is a lie in a certain sense, you are extrapolating your experience as an american traveling abroad to the experience of the local black population or to the experience of non american black people

but the most important thing to understand about latin america in terms of race is that the same people that founded the united states of america are the same people that founded most latin american countries, we as black americans should proceed accordingly

 

[Leasy]

Great read enjoying everyone comments and debates. Just monitoring.

 

[theworldismine13]

and at the turn this thread has taken

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What the fukk does this even mean? What kind of mentality is this? nikkas comparing racism now like one form is better than the other? U think social issues in a country where a significant portion of the population is literally thinking about when that next meal is coming can even compare to the social issues of the fukking United States of America? the fukk is wrong with you nikkas

i missed this post

but to answer the question, i dont think its a different racism, i think its the same racism and i think both countries were founded by the same people from the point of view of the african slave

and yes i think its a very valid comparison, in fact i think brazil is a country that has the most similar historical origin to the united states except for canada and mexico

although the ratios are different, they had the same racial mixture (influxes of european colonists and african slaves and native americans), they both had vast land resources, they both had colonial origins and slave economies

so its important to understand why they turned out differently, not just in terms of race but in terms of economics, i would assert that the difference was the us promoted individual freedom and capitalism

 

[theworldismine13]

Early Globalization and the Economic Development of the United States and Brazil

Introduction

http://books.google.com/books?id=3-Ml4U5EkxsC&lpg=PR12&ots=hK1oJPCyNX&dq=brazil united states history development&pg=PR11#v=onepage&q=brazil united states history development&f=false

 

[Tommy Knocks]

From a French black man.

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Black Americans so often want to impose their limited idea of 'blackness' on everyone, going about the world looking for racism. "Is this place racist, is that place racist?" Places aren't racist. People are & no group of people represent the entire country. Racism is just discrimination. One type of discrimination is no more worse than the other. Everyone faces some sort of discrimination everywhere. If a white guy is told, 'Go away, Gringo,' he's not gonna let that guy (or a handful of guys) represent the entire country. Folks were doing 'Kick a ginger' in The States a few years ago. So, the whole idea of, "Is a country racist?" is juvenile & racist. It's just looking for problems. Black Americans should stop assuming all blacks are alike or have the same experiences. I think a lot of black Americans are scared to travel because they listen to things like this. When I travel, folks tend to respond to me as an individual, based on my dress, accent, presentation, nationality. In the end, there is no singular experience that blacks have in Paris. Don't listen to any body tells you about what it's like to be black here or there. They only know what it's like to be them.
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and just about every single black person that has traveled abroad will echo this notion.

 

[theworldismine13]

From a French black man.

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Black Americans so often want to impose their limited idea of 'blackness' on everyone, going about the world looking for racism. "Is this place racist, is that place racist?" Places aren't racist. People are & no group of people represent the entire country. Racism is just discrimination. One type of discrimination is no more worse than the other. Everyone faces some sort of discrimination everywhere. If a white guy is told, 'Go away, Gringo,' he's not gonna let that guy (or a handful of guys) represent the entire country. Folks were doing 'Kick a ginger' in The States a few years ago. So, the whole idea of, "Is a country racist?" is juvenile & racist. It's just looking for problems. Black Americans should stop assuming all blacks are alike or have the same experiences. I think a lot of black Americans are scared to travel because they listen to things like this. When I travel, folks tend to respond to me as an individual, based on my dress, accent, presentation, nationality. In the end, there is no singular experience that blacks have in Paris. Don't listen to any body tells you about what it's like to be black here or there. They only know what it's like to be them.
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and just about every single black person that has traveled abroad will echo this notion.

What the fuk is this suppose to mean? Was somebody telling anybody not to travel

The question was asked why blacks don't seem to be visible in Latin America, the question was answered that there is widespread racism against black people in a lot of ways it's worse than than the racism in America, that's just the plain truth

Nobody is telling anybody not to travel

 

[Tommy Knocks]

What the fuk is this suppose to mean? Was somebody telling anybody not to travel

The question was asked why blacks don't seem to be visible in Latin America, the question was answered that there is widespread racism against black people in a lot of ways it's worse than than the racism in America, that's just the plain truth

Nobody is telling anybody not to travel

nikka no one was talking to yo sorry ass.

and we've already established there IS a visible black population in latin american media. you dumb nikkas dont know shyt about latin america media, aint watched more than 1 or 2 movies and shows but some how came to this conclusion watching telemundo (a mexican/mexican american station).

 

[mbewane]

yep, that is exactly what im saying

Good, so you don't mind broad stupid generalizations about Black people either I guess. Good for you

 

[1thouwow]

@Tommy Knocks are you black? What's your race and ethnicity?

 

[theworldismine13]

Good, so you don't mind broad stupid generalizations about Black people either I guess. Good for you

Ok

 

[theworldismine13]

nikka no one was talking to yo sorry ass.

and we've already established there IS a visible black population in latin american media. you dumb nikkas dont know shyt about latin america media, aint watched more than 1 or 2 movies and shows but some how came to this conclusion watching telemundo (a mexican/mexican american station).

You already admitted that Brazil is behind and you gave a bunch of reasons why including for some strange reason, lack of Jewish people

And you already admitted that your only point was to object to people saying that there was no black presence in the media and you just wanted to put on your cape to show that there was some and ragged on about some Brazilian show based on city of god

Which isn't the point, I'm sure there is a black presence in Australian media too

But the question still stands is how a country that has more black people than the us have less black media presence than the us when we know the us is a racist ass country, the only logical conclusion is that brazil is more racist than the us

Mexican tv is very relevant to the discussion because the same question must be asked as to why, in a country full of Indians and mestizos, everybody on tv is white, how does that not lead to the suspicion or conclusion that there is vast discrimination against Indians in Mexico

There is no excuse for latin american media to be less diverse than the us, that says a lot cause we all know Hollywood is a racist ass town, looking at the whiteness of Latin media you just have to at the racist fukkery going on behind the scenes

 

[Tommy Knocks]

@Tommy Knocks are you black? What's your race and ethnicity?

black american

 

[1thouwow]

black american

so u not gonna answer @theworldismine13 ??

 

[Kublai Khan]

What's interesting is how the Europeans that colonized North America didn't mix with the native population and slaves much.

But in Central & South America it's a completely different story.
Them Spaniards we're fukking like rabbits.

 

[Consigliere]

What's interesting is how the Europeans that colonized North America didn't mix with the native population and slaves much.

But in Central & South America it's a completely different story.
Them Spaniards we're fukking like rabbits.