Who will run in the 2024 Democratic Primary?

[Baka's Weird Case]

The GOP can't quite get away with a black candidate yet. Maybe (definitely) a Hispanic candidate in the next few years.... A woman though? Shiiiiiiiiit Loyal democratic women and females of all ages turned on Hillary fukking Clinton. They can't fukking wait to flip for a female GOP presidential candidate that's easy to vote for without twisting their morals up. And the republicans will have more fun watching the democrats fall over themselves trying to attack a woman without falling into the traps of being a hypocrite than eating away at their own candidate.

the republicans are still the party of white male resentment. i really dont see their voters handing over the keys to a woman.

i also dont think the democrats would have any problem criticizing a woman candidate, especially if their own candidate is also a woman. they didn’t have any problems tearing down Palin in 2008.

i dont agree with the assumption that a woman republican will automatically eat away at democratic strongholds. Clinton and Palin both failed to make a difference with women voters. its pretty obvious that just having a woman on the ticket doesnt get women to vote for you. i dont see how a crazy far-right redneck from a nothing flyover state is gonna be so much more successful than they were with suburban white women.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

those obviously aren't the majority of republican voters. that's what's alarming and concerning - clearly the dozens of people at the maga march aren't the ones voting against the democrats in absurd numbers

if they rolled out for trump, then we need candidates that *aren't* hated more than him

what? i just covered the majority of republican voters - MAGA acolytes/resentful blue collar whites and mainline republicans who vote R no matter what. collectively they're who are voting against dems and won't be switching sides.

not sure what you mean here, or is this a shot at hillary clinton?

 

[42 Monks]

the republicans are still the party of white male resentment. i really dont see their voters handing over the keys to a woman.

i also dont think the democrats would have any problem criticizing a woman candidate, especially if their own candidate is also a woman. they didn’t have any problems tearing down Palin in 2008.

i dont agree with the assumption that a woman republican will automatically eat away at democratic strongholds. Clinton and Palin both failed to make a difference with women voters. its pretty obvious that just having a woman on the ticket doesnt get women to vote for you. i dont see how a crazy far-right redneck from a nothing flyover state is gonna be so much more successful than they were with suburban white women.

Palin bodied herself. The dems didn't even need to attack her. She put her foot in her mouth every chance she got and tanked McCain's entire run. They didn't even invite her to the funeral

And most of the democrats problems these past few years have been women fighting amongst themselves. Republicans see that as a weakness to exploit - and as we've noted over the past few years, they don't give a fukk as long as they win.... they'll stay on code.

Clinton failed with female voters because she supported Bill's bullshyt then opted for Tim Kaine despite his abortion stances. Its fair to say that women voters would rather someone who's straightforward with their stance whether its pro OR against their own personal agendas. That disingenuous shyt on major issues is a clear make or break there.

And those flyover states are voting red regardless. That's what I'm saying. Its the new battleground states that are key nationally. Nobody gives a fukk about what the white voters in alabama are thinking. The idea that every republican voter *that matters* is the caricature we often see on TV or social media did our entire campaign strategy a disservice. And if the US applied tiered or priority voting like many other countries do, we'd see a much clearer picture on where individuals rest ideologically.

what? i just covered the majority of republican voters - MAGA acolytes/resentful blue collar whites and mainline republicans who vote R no matter what. collectively they're who are voting against dems and won't be switching sides.

not sure what you mean here, or is this a shot at hillary clinton?

little bit of both, but the concern should be about the losses of what's long been considered loyal voting groups in 2024

but i'm on a bit of a tangent and i shouldn't really keep on derailing like this

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

the republicans are still the party of white male resentment. i really dont see their voters handing over the keys to a woman.

i also dont think the democrats would have any problem criticizing a woman candidate, especially if their own candidate is also a woman. they didn’t have any problems tearing down Palin in 2008.

i dont agree with the assumption that a woman republican will automatically eat away at democratic strongholds. Clinton and Palin both failed to make a difference with women voters. its pretty obvious that just having a woman on the ticket doesnt get women to vote for you. i dont see how a crazy far-right redneck from a nothing flyover state is gonna be so much more successful than they were with suburban white women.

the dems didn't tear down palin, the media did and general pubic did.

you're also underestimating palin's influence by looking at her failure as a VP nominee instead of the success she had leading the tea party, and yes, getting men to follow her lead, basically being the precursor to trumpism and moving the party further right. noem is a slightly more refined palin without abandoning that down home relatability and 10x better looking.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

little bit of both, but the concern should be about the losses of what's long been considered loyal voting groups in 2024

but i'm on a bit of a tangent and i shouldn't really keep on derailing like this

i mean, some of yall need to accept white resentment and social/cultural issues are things that that's eroded the midwest blue collar vote. yes, some of the corporatism of the dems is an issue, but you can't call that out and then not also look the full on corporate cronyism of the republican party.

as for latinos, that's never been a group i expected to be voting for dems as solidly as blacks, so where people see alarm is also where i see the natural split of that group depending on country of origin, income level and "whiteness". there's work to be done there, but if you get that vote to solidly 65-70%, that's pretty much the cap.

not sure what other voting groups are causing alarm

 

[42 Monks]

i mean, some of yall need to accept white resentment, that's eroded the midwest blue collar vote. yes, some of the corporatism of the dems is an issue, but you can't call that out and then not also look the full on corporate cronyism of the republican party. as for latinos, that's never been a group i expected to be voting for dems as solidly as blacks, so where people see alarm is also where i see the natural split of that group depending on country of origin, income level and "whiteness". there's work to be done there, but if you get that vote to solidly 65-70%, that's pretty much the cap.

white resentment by itself ain't the reason why some states are uncomfortably close

i think that's the easy out a lot of people taking...

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

the dems didn't tear down palin, the media did and general pubic did.

you're also underestimating palin's influence by looking at her failure as a VP nominee instead of the success she had leading the tea party, and yes, getting men to follow her lead, basically being the precursor to trumpism and moving the party further right. noem is a slightly more elevated palin without abandoning that down home relatability and 10x better looking.

democrats criticized palin. i was watching a lot of 2008 footage lately and they definitely went after her. they just didn’t do it in a way that made them look sexist or like bullies.

which is my point. the idea that republicans will have democrats tripping over themselves trying to criticize a woman nominee without looking sexist doesnt make sense.

i agree about noem being like a refined palin. but i think shes going to have a lot of those same problems palin had - a governor from a small, irrelevant state with a lot of baggage (her handling of COVID would be a big campaign issue). i also think shes less “likable” than palin who was more goofy. i think noem will come across like a “bytch” to male voters which is obviously the problem that women candidates usually have.

noem also has crazy eyes. she gives me michelle bachmann vibes too

 

[42 Monks]

democrats criticized palin. i was watching a lot of 2008 footage lately and they definitely went after her. they just didn’t do it in a way that made them look sexist or like bullies.

which is my point. the idea that republicans will have democrats tripping over themselves trying to criticize a woman nominee without looking sexist doesnt make sense.

i agree about noem being like a refined palin. but i think shes going to have a lot of those same problems palin had - a governor from a small, irrelevant state with a lot of baggage (her handling of COVID would be a big campaign issue). i also think shes less “likable” than palin who was more goofy. i think noem will come across like a “bytch” to male voters which is obviously the problem that women candidates usually have.

noem also has crazy eyes

you not being serious if you acting like it was baseless

palin was out there telling the country she could see russia from her backyard and told putin to get warplanes out of her airspace. her husband was part of some alaskan independence 'militia' group and she couldn't even describe her own oil policies. had pregnant teenage daughters she couldn't even keep track of

palin was just a highlight reel waiting for anyone. fastforward to now, dems are tiptoeing around melania of all people...

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

white resentment by itself ain't the reason why some states are uncomfortably close

i think that's the easy out a lot of people taking...

then what is it? the suburbs are a split/swing, that's expected. so what is driving blue collar voters away in conservative states? surely it's not the healthcare the republicans gave them, surely it's not the return of manufacturing that republicans have made come to fruition, it definitely can't be all that support and funding republicans have poured into unions...or maybe it's all that state funding for hospitals and infrastructure republicans sign off on

hmm, or maybe it is seeing a big city dem party advance multi cultural issues and social (ie LGBT) causes that don't play well in more conservative america, wrongly, it may be resentment toward dems for caring about the environment which means yes, some of their outdated, environmentally unfriendly industries have shrunk or the shift to a more educated party

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

democrats criticized palin. i was watching a lot of 2008 footage lately and they definitely went after her. they just didn’t do it in a way that made them look sexist or like bullies.

which is my point. the idea that republicans will have democrats tripping over themselves trying to criticize a woman nominee without looking sexist doesnt make sense.

i agree about noem being like a refined palin. but i think shes going to have a lot of those same problems palin had - a governor from a small, irrelevant state with a lot of baggage (her handling of COVID would be a big campaign issue). i also think shes less “likable” than palin who was more goofy. i think noem will come across like a “bytch” to male voters which is obviously the problem that women candidates usually have.

noem also has crazy eyes. she gives me michelle bachmann vibes too

how is it an issue when trumpers don't believe in nor care about covid, and pretty much every red state handled covid stupidly? that might hamper her in winning the general in some swing states, but it won't hurt her in a priamry.

lol @ crazy eyes and coming across unlikeable, those seem like your personal assessments. i've watched her, she palin powered up and plays into the down home, real american bullshyt the dummies of the base love.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

you not being serious if you acting like it was baseless

palin was out there telling the country she could see russia from her backyard and told putin to get warplanes out of her airspace. her husband was part of some alaskan independence 'militia' group and she couldn't even describe her own oil policies. had pregnant teenage daughters she couldn't even keep track of

palin was just a highlight reel waiting for anyone. fastforward to now, dems are tiptoeing around melania of all people...

when did i say it was baseless

my entire point is that democrats are capable of criticizing republican women on the issues without coming across as sexist. it was completely warranted

melania gets criticized when she does shyt like wearing the “i dont care” jacket.... aka when its completely warranted. most of the time theres no political advantage in criticizing a first lady anyway. the fact you have some liberal “free melania” idiots on the internet doesnt mean the democrats are incapable of criticizing a woman running for office

 

[the cac mamba]

ive always liked the way kamala carries herself. she looks like a world leader

it really comes down to bidens health. if he makes it, the dems probably hold an open primary and she has to earn it. if not, they obviously throw their weight behind her as the nom

that president kamala/VP sherrod brown ticket tho

one things for sure, she pretty much has to run with a charismatic white guy from middle america as her VP. ohio, pennsylvania, etc

 

[Shogun]

Yang seems to be trying to keep his name relevant

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

how is it an issue when trumpers don't believe in nor care about covid, and pretty much every red state handled covid stupidly? that might hamper her in winning the general in some swing states, but it won't hurt her in a priamry.

lol @ crazy eyes and coming across unlikeable, those seem like your personal assessments. i've watched her, she palin powered up and plays into the down home, real american bullshyt the dummies of the base love.

yeah it wouldnt hurt her in the primary at all. im talking about the general right now. it would be an issue in swing state suburbs.

of course they are personal assessments. personal assessments are 100 percent relevant in american politics. im a man and i think she is going to have trouble connecting with male voters nationwide because of shyt like that. a face like this

makes me go and i think it will with a lot of male voters. remember bachmanns newsweek cover in 2011?

 

[42 Monks]

then what is it? the suburbs are a split/swing, that's expected. so what is driving blue collar voters away in conservative states? surely it's not the healthcare the republicans gave them, surely it's not the return of manufacturing that republicans have made come to fruition, it definitely can't be all that support and funding republicans have poured into unions...or maybe it's all that state funding for hospitals and infrastructure republicans sign off on

hmm, or maybe it is seeing a big city dem party advance multi cultural issues and social (ie LGBT) causes that don't play well in more conservative america, wrongly, it may be resentment toward dems for caring about the environment which means yes, some of their outdated, environmentally unfriendly industries have shrunk or the shift to a more educated party

some people legit like their healthcare and if the dems want to sell something better, then kasich ain't the spokesperson for that is the point. the problem is that those main red voters aren't going anywhere and our blue voters are constantly weighing their priorities. but if their talking points start to resonate in any way with the groups that grow more and more disinterested or pissed off with democratic initiatives that failed or were otherwise disingenuous then you have a flow of voters that you've lost complete control of...

when you have democrats saying they're pro-immigration one day when the same voter remembers they were "reuniting people with their families wherever they may be" just a few years prior. we're really running the risk of letting disenfranchised voters link up with long-time anti-democrat types. and while it may not change an entire board, it will fukk with enough districts to make the next close race a far bigger problem than it should be.

its a cop out imo to say that the entirety or even the majority of the people who vote against democrats do it simply because they're racist. especially when we got racist ass democrats and progressives everywhere that shyt don't add up.