Who will run in the 2024 Democratic Primary?

[dora_da_destroyer]

yeah it wouldnt hurt her in the primary at all. im talking about the general right now. it would be an issue in swing state suburbs.

of course they are personal assessments. personal assessments are 100 percent relevant in american politics. im a man and i think she is going to have trouble connecting with male voters nationwide because of shyt like that. a face like this

makes me go and i think it will with a lot of male voters. remember bachmanns newsweek cover in 2011?

you're in the minority, and whether that looks crazy to you or not is person to person. even i think she's pretty, especially in regard to politics. and for white men - the republican bread and butter - the only thing that would make her hotter is being blonde.

her running around to campaign events looking like this while talking right wing populist nonsense will work out just fine

 

[Uncle Phil 36]

If a credible Democrat ran against Kamala, she could lose.

The 2020 primary showed that people don't want her as president. Being Biden's VP isn't going to change that unless the DNC clears the field for her.

At which she could get washed.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

some people legit like their healthcare and if the dems want to sell something better, then kasich ain't the spokesperson for that is the point. the problem is that those main red voters aren't going anywhere and our blue voters are constantly weighing their priorities. but if their talking points start to resonate in any way with the groups that grow more and more disinterested or pissed off with democratic initiatives that failed or were otherwise disingenuous then you have a flow of voters that you've lost complete control of...

when you have democrats saying they're pro-immigration one day when the same voter remembers they were "reuniting people with their families wherever they may be" just a few years prior. we're really running the risk of letting disenfranchised voters link up with long-time anti-democrat types. and while it may not change an entire board, it will fukk with enough districts to make the next close race a far bigger problem than it should be.

its a cop out imo to say that the entirety or even the majority of the people who vote against democrats do it simply because they're racist. especially when we got racist ass democrats and progressives everywhere that shyt don't add up.

no offense, but your reply just talked around my whole post - or maybe i'm just not getting the point you're trying to make. who are the voter groups you feel dems are losing and why do you feel like they're being lost. because i just laid out actual fiscal/quality of life policy issues that affect them (well blue collar/midwest whites) that rethugs are actively working against, so what else is pushing them to vote R if not anti multiculturalism and/or opposition to liberal social causes/policy?

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

you're in the minority, and whether that looks crazy to you or now is person to person. even i think she's very pretty, especially in regard to politics. and for white men - the republican bread and butter - the only thing that would make her hotter is being blonde.

ive never got the kristi noem is hot hype. i think kamala looks way better and shes just alright.

id be happy to start a “does kristi noem have crazy eyes” poll though

 

[42 Monks]

no offense, but your reply just talked around my whole post - or maybe i'm just not getting the point you're trying to make. who are the voter groups you feel dems are losing and why do you feel like they're being lost. because i just laid out actual fiscal/quality of life policy issues that affect them (well blue collar/midwest whites) that rethugs are actively working against, so what else is pushing them to vote R if not anti multiculturalism and/or opposition to liberal social causes/policy?

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women and minorities

without being able to reliably lean on both heavily, what are the democrats gonna plan their flag on? if their loyal voting blocks are vulnerable to trump's clownshow then an actual targeted and developed play for those voters over time is the number one thing the democrats should be concerned about long-term. and a significant part of that problem is generated internally - for whatever reason, people just love to act like its a not a real rift that's only going to grow the more its neglected.

 

[NZA]

there wont be a primary unless biden is extremely bad. you can even spin it that it is racist or sexist to challenge her. they are fine with losing as long as the loser is DNC approved

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

ive never got the kristi noem is hot hype. i think kamala looks way better and shes just alright.

id be happy to start a “does kristi noem have crazy eyes” poll though

are you black? you'd be hard pressed to find a white guy who doesn't think she's attractive - and again, this is normal/political attractive, not IG thot attractive. kristi and kamala are both attractive women the hype i dont get is AOC

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

are you black? you'd be hard pressed to find a white guy who doesn't think she's attractive - and again, this is normal/political attractive, not IG thot attractive. kristi and kamala are both attractive women the hype i dont get is AOC

im white

i usually like older women too so im not sure what it is. i wouldnt say shes unattractive but just nothing special

 

[acri1]

lolwut?

81 million votes
Most votes ever in American history
Highest voter turnout since 1900
Highest share of popular vote against an incumbent since 1932
Won electoral college 303-232, the exact margin Trump won by in 2016, which Trump himself was quick to call a landslide.

But ok, that wasn't a blowout.

The popular vote is completely irrelevant.

Biden only barely won in the swing states he won, a couple percent more and Trump would've got four more yars. They were ALL by very thin margins.


Acting like this election was some sort of blowout is intellectually dishonest. Trump obviously also just barely won in 16. Anybody saying either election was a landslide is wrong.

 

[NZA]

this woman with an allegedly fake deepened voice finessed some of the richest white men on the planet . lets not over think political sex appeal. every woman shown in this thread is enough to get certain voters to pitch a tent in their chopper suits

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

?

women and minorities

without being able to reliably lean on both heavily, what are the democrats gonna plan their flag on? if their loyal voting blocks are vulnerable to trump's clownshow then an actual targeted and developed play for those voters over time is the number one thing the democrats should be concerned about long-term. and a significant part of that problem is generated internally - for whatever reason, people just love to act like its a not a real rift that's only going to grow the more its neglected.

minorities isn't a monolith - what group is leaving/vulnerable?

• black people are still voting dem at a 88-93% clip, which is normal, we're not running away.
• the latino vote is where it should be, obama got the highest support from them at 70% in 2012 , otherwise, ~65% is pretty much where dems fall with them. there are some districts where the decline in the latino vote was unexpected, but there's also a lot people, and the dem party, oversimplified about latinos that's leading to the narrative of "losing them" when how their vote plays out makes perfect sense if you actually dig deeper.
• the asian vote is growing more dem...so where are they losing minorities?
• if you want to make jews and LGBT minority groups, those are also still heavily dem and within their normal range o

and dems do better with women, but they're never owned the female vote. clinton got 54, i'm seeing varying sources with 55-57% of the female vote for biden...where are women being lost?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The popular vote is completely irrelevant.

Biden only barely won in the swing states he won, a couple percent more and Trump would've got four more yars. They were ALL by very thin margins.


Acting like this election was some sort of blowout is intellectually dishonest. Trump obviously also just barely won in 16. Anybody saying either election was a landslide is wrong.

bringing up the popular vote very much matters, 7M more people support biden than trump, dismissing the desire of the people simply because we have an electoral system that can makes no sense. no one would care about 1-3% wins in WI or PA without our stupid EC.

and acting like this election was supposed to be a blowout is even more dishonest. only the anti trump echo chamber really believed biden was going to simply wallop an incumbent who hadn't lost a step with his supporters, people and states who didn't give AF about covid, and that he'd actually peel off R's. R's vote R...maybe yall underestimate trump's popularity, he clearly turned out even more voters for him than in 2016. he's not as hated as yall would like to think, had that been an R people were less passionate about, Biden's margins would be larger.

 

[the cac mamba]

ive never got the kristi noem is hot hype. i think kamala looks way better and shes just alright.

id be happy to start a “does kristi noem have crazy eyes” poll though

i saw her on fox news dressed down a couple weeks ago looking kinda

i realize that im a bad messenger, but kristi noem is a problem as VP for the democrats. white women in places like PA will love her, white men will be all about voting for her as VP but not president. they pair her with a palatable candidate to middle america in 24, and i just dont see the dems winning the electoral college if kamala is the candidate

and im voting kamala in 24. not tryna be negative, just realistic

look at the awful latino shift for the dems in this election. i dont see them voting for kamala

 

[42 Monks]

minorities isn't a monolith - what group is leaving/vulnerable?

• black people are still voting dem at a 88-93% clip, which is normal, we're not running away.
• the latino vote is where it should be, obama got the highest support from them at in 2012 70%, otherwise, ~65% is pretty much where dems fall with them. there are some districts where the decline in the latino vote was unexpected, but there's also a lot people, and the dem party, oversimplified about latinos that's leading to the narrative of "losing them" when how their vote plays out makes perfect sense if you actually dig deeper.
• the asian vote is growing more dem...so where are they losing minorities?
• if you want to make jews and LGBT minority groups, those are also still heavily dem and within their normal range o

and dems do better with women, but they're never owned the female vote. clinton got 54, i'm seeing varying sources with 55-57% of the female vote for biden...where are women being lost?

Minorities being treated like a monolith is how the democrats are trying to fukk things up.

Whether it be LatinX trash messaging or assuming that second or third gen immigrants will vote like their their first generation family members. Complacency has become the norm and its being exploited. Lost in that presidential voting gap is the sunken cost of throwing all that weight behind pro-immigration stuff like it wouldn't just alienate the shyt out of people who were directly effected. Those votes don't just trend a certain way without some sort of action or reaction occurring. Examining why is crucial. These groups/blocks don't even need to flip entirely across a margin either - if suddenly 5% of x voters vote red, or 10% say that they won't show up, then you've just lost a district.

That's what's being hammered on here so "7 million" isn't some big number at all considering where those important voters lie.

bringing up the popular vote very much matters, 7M more people support biden than trump, dismissing the desire of the people simply because we have an electoral system that can makes no sense. no one would care about 1-3% wins in WI or PA without our stupid EC.

and acting like this election was supposed to be a blowout is even more dishonest. only the anti trump echo chamber really believed biden was going to simply wallop an incumbent who hadn't lost a step with his supporters, people and states who didn't give AF about covid, and that he'd actually peel off R's. R's vote R...maybe yall underestimate trump's popularity, he clearly turned out even more voters for him than in 2016. he's not as hated as yall would like to think, had that been an R people were less passionate about, Biden's margins would be larger.

I really just don't think people understand how much people hate the democrats more than they like Trump.

I mean it should be telling if they had this kind of turnout but the fizz for a recount for Trump's campaign individually died in 3 weeks

 

[Atlrocafella]

Hopefully we get to see Tulsi in that all white again for the debates