Who is the 5th Best QB in the NFL?

[Copy Ninja]

This thread is asking who is the 5th best QB. We understand that there's a gap between the Big 4 and whoever is #5...

So we are comparing Padford to anyone else vying for #5...

Goff needed a real coach to save his career, similar to what McConnell has done for Darnold this year, or what Tampa has done for Baker. The difference though, is we now have evidence that Goff isn't simply a "McVay creation", and McVay, like Goff, had no resume before Goff. We didn't know he was a great coach, they benefitted each other. McVay and his media cronies created a narrative that Goff was a system player, which turned out to be a lie and even McVay gas publicly apologized for how he treated Goff...

You gone say he saved Goff's career but then big up Stafford as if Stafford's whole legacy hasn't been rewritten by Stafford apologists, this guy is a career fukking loser until he got to a coach who's already made a Super Bowl run. Whose career did McVay really save?

In 9 years, Goff's only two losing seasons, were Year 1 in both places. Year 2 on he's a proven winner, with different coaches, schemes, styles and talent around him...

He's not simply a beneficiary of a coach or system...

Tell me how many losing seasons Stat Padford has? including a losing season in LA (Goff never had a losing season with McVay), 4 years in LA and Padford STILL has a career losing record

Stop it with the Stafford shyt...

The way you're re-writing why McVay got rid of Goff for Stafford is

McVay benefitted from Goff
He benefitted so much he used him as a trade piece for Stafford and won the SB

 

[Po pimp]

CJ has stalled, but also, he has a bottom 2-3 O-lines, no run game in their O whatsoever and also had Nico, Tank and Diggs miss lots of time concurrently, the latter 2 of which are done for the season. He’s had a lot go against him. Slowik has been exposed more than CJ.

I expect CJ to be back in top 5 discussion next season if some of the above is rectified. He’s reacted well against adversity before, and this tough (and yet STILL a playoff) season is a great thing for him to see early in his career.

Came in to post exactly this! It’s been a down year for him compared to his rookie season, but I think he is as talented as those top quarterbacks and when we are in year 3-5 it will become pretty clear.

Definitely wasn’t trying to imply he’s trash, but that it’s a year by year ranking. Like before this year, most would say Darnold was trash, but you could make the argument that he could be in that top 5. Personally, I would put Daniels as the 5th QB because NO ONE expected this from Washington this year.

 

[FTBS]

So you're telling me if you're a defensive coordinator:
Goff with the Detroit Lions offense is better
than
Herbert with the Detroit Lions offense
?

Everyone defensive player and coordinator knows Herbert is much more difficult QB to gameplan for + better

I am not a NFL defensive coordinator. Are you? All I know is that Goff has had more success than Herbert in two different stops and neither stop was very good before he got there. Herbert is the latest look the part all star until he proves otherwise.

 

[klientel]

Out of that group I think Stafford is the most talented QB without question, and he's done more with less compared to the other guys. Outside of 2021 the Rams roster has been mostly hurt or gutted...and he's made the playoffs 3 of 4 years in LA including an SB win.

but im clearly biased

 

[Bboystyle]

Who tf is Jaren Goff?

 

[ECA]

The way you're re-writing why McVay got rid of Goff for Stafford is

McVay benefitted from Goff
He benefitted so much he used him as a trade piece for Stafford and won the SB

They acting like Stafford was some game manager when he got his chip, I distinctly remember two game winning drives during that run. Also the qb partially responsible for two of the most receiving yards in a season and we not gonna pretend like Cooper Kupp was some blue chipper coming out of college

 

[Marc Spector]

Its Jared Goff, easily. His numbers the last two years are stellar. And while he has the processing of a snail, he has the build for a ideal QB. Hes tall, has a solid arm and can make damn near any throw you need.

 

[Marc Spector]

As far as the Stafford vs Goff debate...yall have to consider play styles.

Matthew Stafford wants to push the ball downfield AT ALL TIMES. He doesn't care if he gets hit. He doesn't care if the window is tight. He doesn't care if you only need 4 yards, he's throwing for 10+, damn near every time. As insane as that play style sounds, it made him PERFECT for Sean McVay, who loves scheming up splash plays.

Jared Goff on the other hand, hates getting hit. Anytime the pocket remotely feels unstable, his mechanics fall apart and his decision making suffers. A ideal play for him is throwing to a wide open guy or getting rid of the ball as quickly as possible. The Detroit Offense is perfect for him as the O-Line is stellar and Jamo, Sun God, and LaPorta are insanely quick. And teams have to respect their rushing attack so that keeps pressure off of him.

He struggled with McVay's schemes because he often panicked and wouldnt take the time to survey his reads, and throw to his 1st read (that would be covered).. Or he would feel pressured to execute McVay's offense that he wouldn't feel the pocket collapsing, hold on to the ball for too long and take a bad sack/fumble. McVay's offense rewards you for patience and willingness to take a big hit, and that's not Goff's style.

 

[Blessings]

I am not a NFL defensive coordinator. Are you? All I know is that Goff has had more success than Herbert in two different stops and neither stop was very good before he got there. Herbert is the latest look the part all star until he proves otherwise.

So now its team success. Y’all constantly move goalposts to fit whatever narrative or agenda. When the question says which QB(singular) not team is the best

 

[FTBS]

So now its team success. Y’all constantly move goalposts to fit whatever narrative or agenda. When the question says which QB(singular) not team is the best

Please dont yall me. I speak for me only. For me its both individual performance and impact on winning. Goff checks those boxes in mutiple circumstances easily. He doesn't check the "look" box so he gets downgraded by some. I dont give extra points for arm talent or coulda wouldas .

 

[KidJSoul]

I can't be a fan of Herbert who in every big game he's had to muscle up, he's folded,

This is not true

And if Burrow misses the playoffs, he and Herbert will have the same number of playoff appearances

 

[Copy Ninja]

They acting like Stafford was some game manager when he got his chip, I distinctly remember two game winning drives during that run. Also the qb partially responsible for two of the most receiving yards in a season and we not gonna pretend like Cooper Kupp was some blue chipper coming out of college

Goff would not have this current Rams team in playoff contention. He doesn't process the defense fast enough and would have gotten killed with how bad the Rams OL is and how fast he would have to find the open man. Goff is Purdy level. Great when the OL and weapons are elite. Slightly better arm than Purdy I'll give him that but less mobile.

 

[Blessings]

Please dont yall me. I speak for me only. For me its both individual performance and impact on winning. Goff checks those boxes in mutiple circumstances easily. He doesn't check the "look" box so he gets downgraded by some. I dont give extra points for arm talent or coulda wouldas .

Goff is barely a top-5 player within the Lions' offensive unit. His performance and impact on winning are minimal, benefiting from great teammates and the OC.

 

[FTBS]

Goff is barely a top-5 player within the Lions' offensive unit. His performance and impact on winning are minimal, benefiting from great teammates and the OC.

Lets keep it a buck...if he looked the part you wouldnt be saying this. If a Stafford or Herbert had his numbers and record with teams that were ass before they arrived its a different discussion.

 

[murksiderock]

This is not true

And if Burrow misses the playoffs, he and Herbert will have the same number of playoff appearances

What big games has he won? I don't remember em so there can't be many

They've made the same number of playoff appearances and one of em has yet to even win a single playoff game. Hope that changes for your guy this year, though