Big 4 vs each other in the playoffs...

[horizon]

If Lamar missed the playoffs in back to back years, kept starting slow, and stayed hurt folks would be calling for his head with a SB win under his belt, let alone an L.

No the realities of the team around him like Zac Taylor as the head coach and the failure of an o-line would be more discussed. If Burrow was winning all these MVPs with Lamar’s playoff resume the irrational hate would be even more out of control

 

[VegetasHairline]

No the realities of the team around him like Zac Taylor as the head coach and the failure of an o-line would be more discussed. If Burrow was winning all these MVPs with Lamar’s playoff resume the irrational hate would be even more out of control

Lamar Jackson is the only reason John Harbaugh is still employed. Burrow has had elite WRs his whole career as well. It works both ways.

 

[FTBS]

No the realities of the team around him like Zac Taylor as the head coach and the failure of an o-line would be more discussed. If Burrow was winning all these MVPs with Lamar’s playoff resume the irrational hate would be even more out of control

More discussed? All the talk about Burrow was how this great season by him was wasted and how he was an MVP candidate if his team squeaked into the playoffs and look what he did 3 years ago and he could do this if he actually was in the playoffs. Making the playoffs is the bare minimum for an elite QB.

 

[b. woods]

There’s 4 superstar QBs in the nfl and they all play in the AFC. The way it’s set up, I don’t see a scenario over the next 5 years where someone who doesn’t have one of those guys makes the Super Bowl.

If you draft a QB, there’s like a 99% chance he will never be better than Lamar Jackson, and he can’t beat Allen or Mahomes in the playoffs, so what makes you think you have a chance


This is why I was dying when you had jets fans on talk radio or reddit talking bout

“bro Rodgers was good this year bro, it was the defense, special teams and coaching bro, if he had that this team would be contenders”

That was the broncos. They had a better QB, Oline, HC, Defense, and special teams. You know what that got them?

An ass whooping by one of those superstars in January

@Biscayne

 

[Biscayne]

@Biscayne

"NFL Parity"

I don't expect Miami to move the needle next year or maybe even for the rest of this decade. I've accepted it. But not really...

 

[murksiderock]

There’s 4 superstar QBs in the nfl and they all play in the AFC. The way it’s set up, I don’t see a scenario over the next 5 years where someone who doesn’t have one of those guys makes the Super Bowl.

If you draft a QB, there’s like a 99% chance he will never be better than Lamar Jackson, and he can’t beat Allen or Mahomes in the playoffs, so what makes you think you have a chance


This is why I was dying when you had jets fans on talk radio or reddit talking bout

“bro Rodgers was good this year bro, it was the defense, special teams and coaching bro, if he had that this team would be contenders”

That was the broncos. They had a better QB, Oline, HC, Defense, and special teams. You know what that got them?

An ass whooping by one of those superstars in January

Couple things here...

It's still a sport that, if you bring your best on a given night, you can beat a better team. We just saw this----->Buffalo is a more disciplined team than Baltimore. I don't know that they are actually better, as when Baltimore wasn't killing themselves, they were moving the ball at will vs Buffalo's defense, from the opening drive (TD), to the final drive (TD)...

Buffalo's O-line straight up bullied Baltimore's front in the first half, but that dynamic flipped in the second half, stopping a near automatic power rising QB at the 2, holding that offense to 6 points, etc...

Buffalo played clean football, and took advantage of the opportunities given them by Ravens mistakes...

Are the WFT really better than Detroit? Detroit gifted them 4 turnovers and was playing with guys on defense who mostly wouldn't start on any other elite team (save Branch, Anzalone, and maybe two others)...

My point being here, it's football, if you run into a team that had their worst day when playing you, just uncharacteristically turning the ball over, and you capitalize on that; or you run into a team with crippling injuries on one side of the ball? You can still win, even if, at full strength and peak performance, you may not be the better team...

The NFL Tournament is a single elimination playoff, it's not a series. You play your best on a night that the other team doesn't, it may work out I'm your favor...

Stat Padford's career narrative changed overnight once he won a Super Bowl. Since then, up to this moment, people christen him as arguably a Top 5 QB, which was simply not the read on him a dozen years in Detroit (he was Top 10-ish). So to your point about if you don't have one of the Top 4 guys, '21 Padford was an inferior player to the '24 versions of all Big 4 QBs, and they wom a Super Bowl by swinging for the fences with big free agents, basically had a Pro Bowl team. That just happened 3 years ago so it's recent proof that you can win that way too if you don't have one of those 4 guys...

Look, history shows us in every single decade, there's a deviance from the dominant team/coach/QB of the era. You could say the '21 Rams were the lone deviance of this decade so far, they've yet to make it back to The Final Four since then, so that year was truly an anomaly...

 

[murksiderock]

In the 2010s, it was:

•the '17 Eagles, winning an entire playoff run with a career backup. How'd they do it?

•the '15 Broncos won with a historic 1-year defense;

•the '13 Hawks won with the greatest sustained defense in NFL history, during their peak season;

•the '12 Ravens won with fukking Joe Flacco playing like Joe Montana during the playoffs ;

•the '11 Giants caught lightning in a bottle and rode their 4 best games of the year to a Lombardi;

And this is recent history, all within the last 13 years. You could do this for every decade, re, how can a team win it all without a top tier QB. '08 and '05 Ben was not the apex version of himself. '07 Eli was never an elite QB. Brad Johnson was the QB of the '02 Bucs. Brady was the QB of the '01 Pats. '00 Dilfer...

What history also tells us is that you never truly know when the dynasty of the era ends---->until after it happens. Regardless, we are close to the end of this iteration of Chiefs dynasty. As illustrated below, the longest dynasties in NFL history, were both pre-merger, and the longest Super Bowl-era dynasties, lasted 6 years---->the 80s Niners and 70s Steelers:

7 years
•1961-67 Green Bay Packers (5 in 7 years)
•1940-46 Chicago Bears (4 in 7)

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I don't get these threads, football is a team sport more so than any other sport. No slight to OP. Instead of W/L records I'd like to see their stats in all of those games..

 

[murksiderock]

6 years
•1984-89 San Francisco 49ers (3/6)
•1974-79 Pittsburgh Steelers (4/6)
•1952-57 Detroit Lions (3/6 years)
•1950-55 Cleveland Browns (3/6)

5 years
•2019-23 Kansas City Chiefs (3/5)**
•2014-18 New England Patriots (3/5)

4 years
•2001-04 New England Patriots (3/4)
•1992-95 Dallas Cowboys (3/4)

3 years
•1929-31 Green Bay Packers (3peat)

If the Chiefs win it this year, it would be 4 Lombardis in 6 years like the 70s Steel Curtain. Brady and Belichick showed us that you can retool in the modern era after a championship drought and come back with a different dynasty. But regardless, nothing in NFL history has ever gone beyond 7 years, so at max, barring a truly unprecedented run longer than 7 years, we've got a maximum of this year, and next season, 2025, with the Chiefs. This version and iteration of them, anyway...

So again to tie in your point of how can you win without one of the elite QBs? The present dynasty is near its end, the second half of the 2020s won't be dominated by Mahomes and the Chiefs, the way this first half has been. And there are a number of really good QBs outside that Big 4, that could rise up and steal them one over the rest of this decade...

So anyway there's several ways you can win one without those guys. I think the current dynasty coming to a close is going to lead to a free-for-all, think of how the Warriors won it last in '22. Or if you think the dynasty ended in '18. Regardless. Since 2019, there's been a different champion every year in the NBA...

Something similar is about to happen in the NFL. Chiefs may very well win it this year and in '25, but '25 is the max. Back half of the 20s is gonna see a different guy winning this shyt every year---->a few of those guys are not gonna be thought of as Top 5 elite guys...

 

[murksiderock]

I don't get these threads, football is a team sport more so than any other sport. No slight to OP. Instead of W/L records I'd like to see their stats in all of those games..

I just posted their stats vs each other, on the previous page...

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I just posted their stats vs each other, on the previous page...

Looks to me like Allen's numbers are better than Burrow's on average in these head-to-heads but Mahomes is the clear best, which we knew lol

 

[Dave24]

@murksiderock in WWF terms using these wrestlers Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, and The Undertaker from the years 2000-2001 during the Attitude Era which wrestler would you correlate with each of these quarterbacks:

Mahomes

Lamar

Josh

Burrow

I guess I would correlate Steve Austin with Mahomes since Austin won so much in the WWF like Mahomes does.

 

[murksiderock]

Looks to me like Allen's numbers are better than Burrow's on average in these head-to-heads but Mahomes is the clear best, which we knew lol

For sure, Allen has been a more consistently great playoff guy than Burrow. The issue here is that Allen lost at home to Burrow in a playoff game, and was flatly outplayed by Burrow. That kind of thing sticks with you more than the loss itself, you got shytted on at home by the opposing team's quarterback...

@murksiderock in WWF terms using these wrestlers Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, and The Undertaker from the years 2000-2001 during the Attitude Era which wrestler would you correlate with each of these quarterbacks:

Mahomes

Lamar

Josh

Burrow

I guess I would correlate Steve Austin with Mahomes since Austin won so much in the WWF like Mahomes does.

I'm not sure, I pretty much phased outta watching WWF by the time I hit junior high, which was 2000...

 

[FTBS]

@murksiderock in WWF terms using these wrestlers Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, and The Undertaker from the years 2000-2001 during the Attitude Era which wrestler would you correlate with each of these quarterbacks:

Mahomes

Lamar

Josh

Burrow

I guess I would correlate Steve Austin with Mahomes since Austin won so much in the WWF like Mahomes does.

Pat is Rock AND Austin...a cut above

Burrow is Triple H...nice no doubt but gets some extra undeserved hype/props

Lamar is Jericho...got it all but just cant put it together for some reason

Allen is Taker...looks the part, always gonna be there and dominate or at least scare yo ass

 

[Alvin]

those are the 4 best QB's in the league yes, but like shay shay said, which I actually agree, they are chasing mahomes to get that hardware aka Super Bowl, he is in a league of his own right now.