Who is the 5th Best QB in the NFL?

[murksiderock]

Goff choked in the SB while Stafford won with the same team.

Goff's Rams went to the Super Bowl in 2018, and yes he choked...Padford's Rams went to the Super Bowl in 2021. 3 years later, that was not the same Super Bowl team Goff had...

I find it funny that when Padford won a Super Bowl nikkas got blasted with that Men In Black flash thing, and forgot how he got the nickname Stat Padford in the first place...

I saw this man play dozen fukking years before going to LA. Not a year or two, not even 5 years like LA Goff.......12 fukking years of Matthew Stafford in Detroit.

He was never "trash" or "garbage", and he did have mostly shyt management, coaching, and teammates for MOST of his Lions career. But he had a few years where they were legitimately GOOD, better than most of his LA teams, and there are a LOT of instances of him throwing up garbage time numbers because he couldn't keep a game competitive when it was in the balance...

Matthew Stafford isnt a floor-raiser, which is fine because most quarterbacks aren't. The VERY BEST quarterbacks are, though. And in his youth he was never a Top 10 guy, consistently, because he's not a floor-raiser. Example, the elevation Allen has done this year in Buffalo, that Mahomes and Lamar have done in the past, with mid talent around them, Stafford never did...

I'm not even entertaining any conversation of him being better than Goff unless this is a scouting mission, grading "the measurables". Not even entertaining this shyt. I know who Stat Padford is...

Irony of course being that Goff is the only person that has produced (numbers and winning) on more than one team. People pick and choose which help they wanna harp on. Meanwhile folks ready to crown Burrow for, possibly, making the playoffs and putting up big numbers with the best WR duo in the league. Goff lost a SB too so you cant even use that plea.

100 fukking percent. LA was fukking garbage when he got there. Detroit was fukking garbage when he got there. And of course, as you mentioned, he's had help------>he was at his best in LA with an All-Pro running back, and turns out McBay is an elite coach. Also the pairing of Holmes and Campbell in Detroit is elite, these guys know how to build a roster and Campbell certainly isn't a bad coach...

But both were unproven commodities before coaching Goff, he's the one similarity between the success rate of the 2017-2020 Rams and the 2023-present Lions, yet he gets nitpicked like a mf...

Every single one of these guys has help but Jared Goff is a floor-raiser, and yes he's better than he was in LA. His case as a Top 5 QB is as strong as any other mf who ain't the Big 4, and it's certainly as strong as Stat fukking Padford...

 

[Blessings]

Irony of course being that Goff is the only person that has produced (numbers and winning) on more than one team. People pick and choose which help they wanna harp on. Meanwhile folks ready to crown Burrow for, possibly, making the playoffs and putting up big numbers with the best WR duo in the league. Goff lost a SB too so you cant even use that plea.

So you're telling me if you're a defensive coordinator:
Goff with the Detroit Lions offense is better
than
Herbert with the Detroit Lions offense
?

Everyone defensive player and coordinator knows Herbert is much more difficult QB to gameplan for + better

 

[Tres Leches]

Daniels

 

[DrexlersFade]

This year its Goff

Definitely

 

[JLova]

No vote for Big Cock Brock?

 

[KING WILL]

If were talking about this year and this year only, is Mahomes clearly one of the top 4 QB's in the NFL?

 

[Roger king]

it's mahomes ,lamar, burrow, then a gap. Then you have the likes of allen, daniels, stroud etc. Allen winning MVP this year is not based on merit but on affirmative action. He has the easiet division in football with 4-5 easy wins every year and a media desperate to anoint him king for spamming 1 yard tush push rushing touchdowns

 

[Omerta]

I remember last year, CJ was playing like a top 5 QB. My how things have changed…

CJ has stalled, but also, he has a bottom 2-3 O-lines, no run game in their O whatsoever and also had Nico, Tank and Diggs miss lots of time concurrently, the latter 2 of which are done for the season. He’s had a lot go against him. Slowik has been exposed more than CJ.

I expect CJ to be back in top 5 discussion next season if some of the above is rectified. He’s reacted well against adversity before, and this tough (and yet STILL a playoff) season is a great thing for him to see early in his career.

 

[Womb Raider]

Goff but Baker has performed extremely well this year and you could argue for him above Goff

 

[duncanthetall]

Herbert. I hope he shows out these playoffs and the Chargers go on an unexpected run.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Hitman Sammy Sam

 

[ECA]

If were talking about this year and this year only, is Mahomes clearly one of the top 4 QB's in the NFL?

15-1 and whenever his team needs a play he delivers

 

[Copy Ninja]

Goff's Rams went to the Super Bowl in 2018, and yes he choked...Padford's Rams went to the Super Bowl in 2021. 3 years later, that was not the same Super Bowl team Goff had...

I find it funny that when Padford won a Super Bowl nikkas got blasted with that Men In Black flash thing, and forgot how he got the nickname Stat Padford in the first place...

I saw this man play dozen fukking years before going to LA. Not a year or two, not even 5 years like LA Goff.......12 fukking years of Matthew Stafford in Detroit.

He was never "trash" or "garbage", and he did have mostly shyt management, coaching, and teammates for MOST of his Lions career. But he had a few years where they were legitimately GOOD, better than most of his LA teams, and there are a LOT of instances of him throwing up garbage time numbers because he couldn't keep a game competitive when it was in the balance...

Matthew Stafford isnt a floor-raiser, which is fine because most quarterbacks aren't. The VERY BEST quarterbacks are, though. And in his youth he was never a Top 10 guy, consistently, because he's not a floor-raiser. Example, the elevation Allen has done this year in Buffalo, that Mahomes and Lamar have done in the past, with mid talent around them, Stafford never did...

I'm not even entertaining any conversation of him being better than Goff unless this is a scouting mission, grading "the measurables". Not even entertaining this shyt. I know who Stat Padford is...

100 fukking percent. LA was fukking garbage when he got there. Detroit was fukking garbage when he got there. And of course, as you mentioned, he's had help------>he was at his best in LA with an All-Pro running back, and turns out McBay is an elite coach. Also the pairing of Holmes and Campbell in Detroit is elite, these guys know how to build a roster and Campbell certainly isn't a bad coach...

But both were unproven commodities before coaching Goff, he's the one similarity between the success rate of the 2017-2020 Rams and the 2023-present Lions, yet he gets nitpicked like a mf...

Every single one of these guys has help but Jared Goff is a floor-raiser, and yes he's better than he was in LA. His case as a Top 5 QB is as strong as any other mf who ain't the Big 4, and it's certainly as strong as Stat fukking Padford...

We're not comparing Stafford to top 5 QBs so all that you wrote about 'floor raisers' is . Especially when you're trying to shoe-horn Goff in that category. Goff as a 'floor raiser'? . WTF did he raise in LA before McVay saved his career?

Better 'big game creditility' than Stafford? . Lost his SB chance and didn't play 'big' against Purdy last year in the conference finals.

No amount of paragraphs is gonna change the fact that those two statements are incorrect.

 

[murksiderock]

We're not comparing Stafford to top 5 QBs so all that you wrote about 'floor raisers' is . Especially when you're trying to shoe-horn Goff in that category. Goff as a 'floor raiser'? . WTF did he raise in LA before McVay saved his career?

Better 'big game creditility' than Stafford? . Lost his SB chance and didn't play 'big' against Purdy last year in the conference finals.

No amount of paragraphs is gonna change the fact that those two statements are incorrect.

This thread is asking who is the 5th best QB. We understand that there's a gap between the Big 4 and whoever is #5...

So we are comparing Padford to anyone else vying for #5...

Goff needed a real coach to save his career, similar to what McConnell has done for Darnold this year, or what Tampa has done for Baker. The difference though, is we now have evidence that Goff isn't simply a "McVay creation", and McVay, like Goff, had no resume before Goff. We didn't know he was a great coach, they benefitted each other. McVay and his media cronies created a narrative that Goff was a system player, which turned out to be a lie and even McVay gas publicly apologized for how he treated Goff...

You gone say he saved Goff's career but then big up Stafford as if Stafford's whole legacy hasn't been rewritten by Stafford apologists, this guy is a career fukking loser until he got to a coach who's already made a Super Bowl run. Whose career did McVay really save?

In 9 years, Goff's only two losing seasons, were Year 1 in both places. Year 2 on he's a proven winner, with different coaches, schemes, styles and talent around him...

He's not simply a beneficiary of a coach or system...

Tell me how many losing seasons Stat Padford has? including a losing season in LA (Goff never had a losing season with McVay), 4 years in LA and Padford STILL has a career losing record

Stop it with the Stafford shyt...

 

[tjwettem]

I remember last year, CJ was playing like a top 5 QB. My how things have changed…

Came in to post exactly this! It’s been a down year for him compared to his rookie season, but I think he is as talented as those top quarterbacks and when we are in year 3-5 it will become pretty clear.