Which nba star from the 90s or early 2000s do you think would be average in today's game?

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3" shorter than Curry, less athletic, less range, slower release. Sorry, he just ain't getting that shyt off.

If Mark Price could be a star in today's NBA then 6'0" white guys would still be competitive. Where'd they go?

He wouldn't be a star in any era but he could be All Star level. I would imagine he would shoot even better since that's what they pose to do in today's NBA.

There is no one like him right now but we just got Ty Jerome, just fft

 

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GP was one of the guys who got killed by the end of the hand check era and PnR era. While I love GP, his fall from grace in the modern era would be tragic

Gary’s athleticism and shot are suspect and he has some of the worst handles I’ve seen from a point guard

 

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You looking at the scores. The game was more intense and as a fan that's what I want. That feeling. Rodman and malone down court wrestling and everybody kept playing like nothing was happening. That wouldn't get to that point now. Both ejected.

Kemp would've been ejected and suspended in today's game

The game was more mid range and post game so they had to fight for those points. You weren't about to get easy layups.

Players genuinely didn't like each other so you couldnt wait for that match up. Now everybody wanna team up and be friends with everybody. I think thats more entertaining than nobody playing defense and everybody shooting 3s. Players taking rest bc they're tired. You think any nba star would be cool sitting out games if they could play? Look at all the rivalries now. Nowhere near as intense as bulls and Knicks, bulls and piston, Lakers and Celtics. That was a hard fought 88 points tho.

Lol, as an avid historian, this type of shyt rarely happened. The RS was never that intense. Probably the most intense it is is now with the scouting reports, staffs and what not and the money being so good that nikkas take this shyt serious now on avg

 

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In the era of one-on-one defense when there were still a lot more unathletic guards in the league, Clyde could get away with that. Watch defense back then, most of the time his defender isn't even shading him to the right.

In today's era not only would his defender shade him to the right, but the entire defense behind him would be unbalanced in order to play to his tendencies. That's partially due to the legality of partial zones and partially due to defenses just becoming a lot more complex and scouting deeper to players' weaknesses. Clyde would have a real tough time of it, which is why no elite guards are so dominant in a single direction and NONE of them dribble with their heads down.




It's a stretch to say that Clyde was any sort of star in the grind era. The real grind era was 1997-2006. Drexler was pretty washed by then, 18ppg on 43% shooting at 34yo for a disappointing Houston team. He actually crashed very quickly - after 1992 (just 29yo) he only had one more 20ppg season.

Pace was still at 97 in 1992. It didn't drop below 95 for the first time until 1995. By comparison, pace was still only 93.9 as recently as 2015.




I put up playoff defense because that's the only time threes were even guarded in the 1990s. But even in the regular season Clyde sucked - he was a 31.8% three-point shooter in the regular season and that's almost entirely on open shots. 28.8% in the playoffs, 17% in the Finals.

And just take one look at his form and you know he ain't getting any better.




I didn't say their games were alike. Their games aren't alike because there was all sorts of shyt that you could get away with offensively in the 1990s that doesn't work anymore.

I asked what Clyde could do that Wiggins couldn't. They're both tall, very athletic shooting guards who are limited by their low bball IQ. Wiggins is taller, is at least as athletic (44" vertical during the combine), has a better jump shot, is a better ballhandler. So if Andrew Wiggins isn't a star in this era, then what is Clyde doing to reach star status?

You dead on with Drexler. The scouting reports and analytics would kill his ass and that's before the run the algorithms

 

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Nikka he was a 50th pick in 1988 he isn’t getting drafted today and he isn’t making the league

Calderon and J.J. are better players than fukking Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr was a reserve player his entire career. You tried to equate an utterly washed Calderon who is signed off veteran status as reason for Kerr playing today.

Jimmer isn’t on a team he’s far more talented than Kerr. Kerr said this why would he say it? Would you know more than him?

Also I already said Stockton would be good he just wouldn’t have the perception he had in his day

Kyle Guy is white boy round the same size with bout the same skill set as Kerr and he was just drafted. You clowns are just running off at the mouth. Kerr was all American in college.

Stockton would be 1 of the best point guards in the league today.

 

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He wouldn't be a star in any era but he could be All Star level. I would imagine he would shoot even better since that's what they pose to do in today's NBA.

There is no one like him right now but we just got Ty Jerome, just fft

Ty Jerome is biracial breh

But Kyle Guy did get drafted

Could you imagine a white point guard winning a national title, Most Outstanding Player, All-American, playing in the McDonald’s game, winning Mr. Basketball for his state in the 80’s yet being drafted 55th overall

 

[staticshock]

bird would average at least 35 in this era

Y’all gotta stop with this dumb nostalgic shyt

 

[#1 pick]

In the era of one-on-one defense when there were still a lot more unathletic guards in the league, Clyde could get away with that. Watch defense back then, most of the time his defender isn't even shading him to the right.

In today's era not only would his defender shade him to the right, but the entire defense behind him would be unbalanced in order to play to his tendencies. That's partially due to the legality of partial zones and partially due to defenses just becoming a lot more complex and scouting deeper to players' weaknesses. Clyde would have a real tough time of it, which is why no elite guards are so dominant in a single direction and NONE of them dribble with their heads down.




It's a stretch to say that Clyde was any sort of star in the grind era. The real grind era was 1997-2006. Drexler was pretty washed by then, 18ppg on 43% shooting at 34yo for a disappointing Houston team. He actually crashed very quickly - after 1992 (just 29yo) he only had one more 20ppg season.

Pace was still at 97 in 1992. It didn't drop below 95 for the first time until 1995. By comparison, pace was still only 93.9 as recently as 2015.




I put up playoff defense because that's the only time threes were even guarded in the 1990s. But even in the regular season Clyde sucked - he was a 31.8% three-point shooter in the regular season and that's almost entirely on open shots. 28.8% in the playoffs, 17% in the Finals.

And just take one look at his form and you know he ain't getting any better.




I didn't say their games were alike. Their games aren't alike because there was all sorts of shyt that you could get away with offensively in the 1990s that doesn't work anymore.

I asked what Clyde could do that Wiggins couldn't. They're both tall, very athletic shooting guards who are limited by their low bball IQ. Wiggins is taller, is at least as athletic (44" vertical during the combine), has a better jump shot, is a better ballhandler. So if Andrew Wiggins isn't a star in this era, then what is Clyde doing to reach star status?

Wiggins like Jahlil Okafor would be so much better in the 90s. Where you can back down guys forever for Jah and where scouting reports would expose your tendencies for Wigs

 

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Kyle Guy is white boy round the same size with bout the same skill set as Kerr and he was just drafted. You clowns are running off at the mouth.

Stockton would be 1 of the best point guards in the league today.

Kyle Guy is a far more accomplished amateur prospect than Kerr

Both Kerr and Guy were barely drafted into the league

Again should I take your word or Steve Kerr’s?

Where would Stockton be an All-NBA First Team guard at any point in the last 10 years?

 

[#1 pick]

Ty Jerome is biracial breh

But Kyle Guy did get drafted

Could you imagine a white point guard winning a national title, Most Outstanding Player, All-American, playing in the McDonald’s game, winning Mr. Basketball for his state in the 80’s yet being drafted 55th overall

Guy got picked by the Kings. Guy is a lot more athletic than Kerr was

 

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Kyle Guy is a far more accomplished amateur prospect than Kerr

No he's not you lying ass bytch. You clowns are a joke. Nobody ever just admits to being wrong. You all double down like insecure fakkits. It's hilarious.

 

[#1 pick]

No he's not you lying ass bytch. You clowns are a joke. Nobody ever just admits to being wrong. You all double down like insecure fakkits. It's hilarious.

Guy was a much better prospect. Guy got some athletic ability, Kerr didn't have that much. Kerr athletic ability was similar to Fletcher McGee but McGee was a better natural shooter out of college

 

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We can tell you ain't even reading the thread when I said already I've been a Blazer fan since 1987. We had numerous battles with the Malone/Stockton Jazz.

How old were you when you were watching prime Stockton. 6 years old? And you think that gives you any authority in the conversation?


I haven't said one lie about his game yet. He was short, he was unathletic, he had trouble putting up points when it mattered, he couldn't finish athletically at the rim, he didn't have a lot of lift on his jump shot, and he rarely scored when defenders were in his grill. All that shyt is true.

Probably their most memorable matchup for me was 1992, his absolute prime, going up against the Blazers in the WCF. It was a high-pace era still (Blazers still relied on the fast break for a heavy percentage of their scoring) and Portland didn't have anyone special defensively. Stockton was guarded almost exclusively by Terry Porter, who was a completely average defender but taller than Stockton with long arms. He shut his ass down - Stockton only averaged 14ppg on 39.7% shooting for the series and 23% from three. In Game 6, the elimination Game, Stockton went 5-19 from the field, 1-8 from three, with 5 turnovers. Against Terry Porter defense. 'They`re too athletic and quick for us," said Jeff Malone after one of the games.

Well shyt, you got me. Talked me out of Mark Price. You are right, the quality of play was so far from today that just a semblance looks as good.

The NBA is just in a much better position

 

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Guy was a much better prospect. Guy got some athletic ability, Kerr didn't have that much. Kerr athletic ability was similar to Fletcher McGee but McGee was a better natural shooter out of college

They're both round the same size with bout the same skill set drafted at round the same spot. The rest of that dumb irrelevant shyt y'all want to throw in the discussion is just a deflection. Kerr could play in today's league.

 

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No he's not you lying ass bytch. You clowns are a joke. Nobody ever just admits to being wrong. You all double down like insecure fakkits. It's hilarious.

I just posted Guy’s accomplishments goofy

Kerr was not a McDonald’s All-American
Kerr did not win Mr. Basketball for his state, Indiana is a good basketball state too.
Kerr did not win a natty.
Kerr was not the Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament.

Guy has some athleticism outside of being a shooter. He can dunk a basketball. He had some in game dunks at UVA and was in the dunk contest at the McDonald’s All-American festivities. 36.5 inch vert, 3.28 3/4th court sprint, 3.06 shuttle run, near 6’5 wingspan. He has plenty of quickness.