Which nba star from the 90s or early 2000s do you think would be average in today's game?

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I can't find any online gametape of the Jazz/Blazers series (just highlights), but this is the very next series, Bulls vs. Blazers the same year. I posted this video of that scary "harder much more physical" era before.

Watch and tell me the first time you see a physical play that would be too tough for the current era:




If Stockton could make the adjustments to play in this era, then why can't any other short White Americans do it? Why is his entire player type an extinct species?

Claiming that every star of the 1990s could be a star in the 2010s is like claiming that every star of a 500-person school could be a star in a 3,000-person school. The talent pool is just MUCH bigger now, and not all the guys who could cut it then would be able to now. That's basic, indisputable logic. You can't just claim that every single big fish in a little pond would be a big fish in a big pond, it doesn't make no sense.
These "arguments" are garbage as fukk. You're basically saying that the proof that Stockton wouldn't be good in today's era is that currently there are no white boys his size excelling at point guard. Then when I bring up black point guards around his size who's games don't rely on athleticism who have been good to great in this era, you respond talking about their parents, what they did at some workout, or you just exaggerate how athletic they are. shyt isn't even worthy of a response.

I can't even take aren't this shyt you're saying seriously. The funny thing is, I see you in other threads so I know that you can do better. You're wrong here, just fall back.
 

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Mark Price never averaged 20ppg at any point in his career, even though he played half of it in the high-pace no-defense 80s, and now we have him averaging that in this era?

Kyrie only averaged 23 and 7 last year with skill and athleticism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Price in every respect and we're talking about MP almost matching that. :dead:





Dragic is 4 inches taller than Mark Price and far far far more athletic.






Why are you comparing Mark Price to someone who physical attributes are nothing like his? Show me the 6'0" point guard with actual Mark Price-level athleticism who is doing the things you claim that Mark Price can do in this era. Or anything close.

And Dragic isn't even next-level athleticism - just average-at-best athleticism in the NBA today. But Mark Price was nowhere near that. Show me the MOST athletic Mark Price clip you can find which shows how he would succeed at the top level today despite only being 6'0".


But why keep mentioning athleticism? Rod Strickland played in an era that combined athleticism and skills, and he wasn't athletic. He played under the rim, and was more than effective. Same thing for Mark Price. He played under the rim, floaters, and a quick pull-up, splitting double teams. These defenders can't even get through a pick or switch right, so he'd go right through them, pull-up or floater.
 

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Stockton made 11 All-NBA teams from 1988 to 1999.

Now imagine him trying to compete against Curry, Dame, Kyrie, Harden, Westbrook, and CP3 for those spots. Even the next tier of Wall, Lowry, Klay, DeRozen, Kemba, Oladipo...anyone putting a John Stockton averaging something like 12 and 10 over them?

He'd be grinding as the starting point guard for some team but no way he'd be seen as a top-10 guard in this age.
Stockton wouldn’t be a top 10 point guard? :snoop:
 

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bird would average at least 35 in this era
No he wouldn’t. And stop throwing up retarded scoring statistics. Numbers are based off team quality, pace, and usage. So no it’s not as simple as saying throw so and so in this era and he’ll put up 35 points per game.
 

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But why keep mentioning athleticism? Rod Strickland played in an era that combined athleticism and skills, and he wasn't athletic. He played under the rim, and was more than effective. Same thing for Mark Price. He played under the rim, floaters, and a quick pull-up, splitting double teams. These defenders can't even get through a pick or switch right, so he'd go right through them, pull-up or floater.
Rod was athletic he was a pre-cursor to Kyrie Irving and a highly acrobatic ambidextrous below the rim finisher.
 

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Stockton made 11 All-NBA teams from 1988 to 1999.

Now imagine him trying to compete against Curry, Dame, Kyrie, Harden, Westbrook, and CP3 for those spots. Even the next tier of Wall, Lowry, Klay, DeRozen, Kemba, Oladipo...anyone putting a John Stockton averaging something like 12 and 10 over them?

He'd be grinding as the starting point guard for some team but no way he'd be seen as a top-10 guard in this age.
He would be Mike Conley status at best.
 

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No he wouldn’t. And stop throwing up retarded scoring statistics. Numbers are based off team quality, pace, and usage. So no it’s not as simple as saying throw so and so in this era and he’ll put up 35 points per game.
There’s been what, 4 seasons post merger of someone averaging 35+? Bird peaked at 29.9 in 1988 at a pace of 97.8 possessions. He usually averaged between 23-26 points on a season. He’d have to start jacking up 3’s at the rate Har_en did this year while maintaining his efficiency and still taking as many free throws to get close to 35 a night. Even MJ only did it twice with as much as he shot the ball. It’s not a realistic scoring goal to set for anyone.
 

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Stockton made 11 All-NBA teams from 1988 to 1999.

Now imagine him trying to compete against Curry, Dame, Kyrie, Harden, Westbrook, and CP3 for those spots. Even the next tier of Wall, Lowry, Klay, DeRozen, Kemba, Oladipo...anyone putting a John Stockton averaging something like 12 and 10 over them?

He'd be grinding as the starting point guard for some team but no way he'd be seen as a top-10 guard in this age.

Didn’t Stockton average almost 15apg a few years, try again
Doncic was ROY I think Stockton would be fine :stopitslime:
 

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Kerr is not Stockton :mjlol:
Nobody said Stockton wouldn’t be able to play today

The premise of the thread is players who would be worse or “average” compared to their day

Today there would automatically be a stigma against Stockton being a white undersized point guard that may not even afford him certain opportunities.

I think Stockton could play today he had excellent core strength for his size which allowed him to finish at the rim and had nice speed in his younger days, he was tough/gritty, a gifted passer, and he could shoot the ball and pick his spots efficiently.

Would he be a 10x All-Star and 11x All-NBA player in this era no I don’t think so

This is the problem with y’all there’s nothing wrong with believing that but y’all are too sensitive
 
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These "arguments" are garbage as fukk. You're basically saying that the proof that Stockton wouldn't be good in today's era is that currently there are no white boys his size excelling at point guard. Then when I bring up black point guards around his size who's games don't rely on athleticism who have been good to great in this era, you respond talking about their parents, what they did at some workout, or you just exaggerate how athletic they are. shyt isn't even worthy of a response.

I can't even take aren't this shyt you're saying seriously. The funny thing is, I see you in other threads so I know that you can do better. You're wrong here, just fall back.
You said that Mike Conley was unathletic and that John Stockton was just as athletic as him, I pointed out to you that Mike Conley is literally in the top 0.01% at least of most athletic people in the world, and you wanna take your ball and go home. :dead:

You don't realize that you're killing your own argument. You're pointing that if you're short, then to be a good point guard you have to be extremely athletic even if your game doesn't relying on athleticism. You have to be that athletic just to hang in there.

I keep challenging you to name the last short white point guard who starred without being a great athlete, and you keep juelzing away from the answer. You can't, because there isn't.

It's not just a crazy coincidence that all short players are strong athletes. It's not just a crazy coincidence that all the White Americans suddenly disappeared. You keep failing to explain those phenomenoms that have obvious explanations. I named 15 White guards under 6'5" who were everyday starters in the 1990s. WHERE ARE THEY NOW?



Steve Kerr is on record saying he wouldn’t be make the league in this era

Steve Kerr: ‘There’s no way I could have played in the NBA today’
That just killed their entire argument. 6'3", one of the deadliest jumpers in NBA history, was putting in 20-25 minutes for multiple championship squads, deeply associated with today's players.

And he says he wouldn't even have made it onto the court.

“Just watching our guys and how talented they are and how talented Houston is, there’s no way I could have played in the NBA today,” Kerr said Monday during Game 1 of the WCF. “I came around at the right time, 20 years ago.”



Didn’t Stockton average almost 15apg a few years, try again
Doncic was ROY I think Stockton would be fine :stopitslime:
Doncic is 8 inches taller than Stockton and a better athlete, what kind of comparison is that? :heh:

That's like saying Mugsy Bogues could still make it today because Kyrie is a star. :skip:



But why keep mentioning athleticism? Rod Strickland played in an era that combined athleticism and skills, and he wasn't athletic. He played under the rim, and was more than effective. Same thing for Mark Price. He played under the rim, floaters, and a quick pull-up, splitting double teams. These defenders can't even get through a pick or switch right, so he'd go right through them, pull-up or floater.
This is what Mark Price looks like trying to score from under the rim under any kind of pressure whatsoever.



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He doesn't have the first step or the lift to get the clearance he needs. In the 1990s nearly all his scoring was done in the open, he wasn't scoring with a guy in his grill. He needed separation. Now look at how quickly IT lost the ability to get separation after his injury. Even an injured IT is much quicker and stronger than Mark Price. So how is Price getting the separation he needs to get his jumper off?


And you're exposing yourself saying "these defenders". In the 1990s defenders weren't even TAUGHT how to switch on a pick, like they literally said they didn't even work on it in practice.

Watch this video. Stockton and Malone are strong on the pick-and-roll, I'm not denying that. But watch it for the defenders - their defense is almost comically bad.

 
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