Which nba star from the 90s or early 2000s do you think would be average in today's game?

[#1 pick]

No one who has ever played basketball will say handchecking doesn’t matter

Handchecking is vastly overrated depending who you are using it on. Handchecking Trae Young or Steve Nash is a lot more effective than handchecking Magic, Bron, Giannis or Ben Simmons who would encourage it to gain leverage for their size and strength.

It one of the most insignificant changes in the NBA and in the playoffs fools still handcheck on most possessions and it always seems to have little to no effect unless it's used on DeRozan who struggles with it.

Fools been handchecking Steph in the playoffs for years and he still shyts on nikkas

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I hate Michael Jordan stanleys with a passion. Everyone of them. The most stupid nikkas and bytches ever. MJ hated the zone defense. MJ would be great in any era but the zone defense is a nightmare for MJ and would require him like Giannis to develop a jumpshot which I don't believe be would have like Giannis. MJ would not average more than the usually top for today's scorers but the scouting and defensive schemes of today would not allow it.

MJ stans are the most stupid fukks in the world. Every single one.

He had weaknesses that would be a lot easier to exposes in 2019 that was extremely difficult to expose in 1996 or 1988 just due to the rules and players in place at that time

He wouldn’t develop a jump shot like Giannis... ninja go back to sleep


Like I said, y’all idiots always discuss the zone, which for a time did make it more difficult for perimeter players. But in 06 they started enforcing hand checks more thoroughly and stats for perimeter players EXPLODED.

When you wake back up read the article

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Handchecking is vastly overrated depending who you are using it on. Handchecking Trae Young or Steve Nash is a lot more effective than handchecking Magic, Bron, Giannis or Ben Simmons who would encourage it to gain leverage for their size and strength.

It one of the most insignificant changes in the NBA and in the playoffs fools still handcheck on most possessions and it always seems to have little to no effect unless it's used on DeRozan who struggles with it.

No it isn’t. It’s very significant.

Michael Jordan: Could He Really Score 50 with the Hand-Check Rule in Place?

 

[#1 pick]

No it isn’t. It’s very significant.

Michael Jordan: Could He Really Score 50 with the Hand-Check Rule in Place?

No it's not dumbass. Watch the fukking film. The idea you are in love with is not the reality of what would happen. MJ ain't Steph Curry. Teams wouldn't defend him to drive. They would do him like they do Giannis. Muddy up the lane. Run exotic zones. Put a big like Embiid or Horford to take away driving lanes. These bigs did not exist in the 90s. Most bigs today are mobile. At least the top bigs.

I hate you stupid nikkas with a passion

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No one who has ever played basketball will say handchecking doesn’t matter

It’s really just Bron peasants that make the argument. That lady completely nuked the argument years ago

I agree that no rules will make a great player significantly worse.

But ninjas really think the era can’t help or hurt a player.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No it's not dumbass. Watch the fukking film. The idea you are in love with is not the reality of what would happen. MJ ain't Steph Curry. Teams wouldn't defend him to drive. They would do him like they do Giannis. Muddy up the lane. Run exotic zones. Put a big like Embiid or Horford to take away driving lanes. These bigs did not exist in the 90s. Most bigs today are mobile. At least the top bigs.

I hate you stupid nikkas with a passion

Now Bron peasants want to use the eye test and not data....

1. 
   The numbers here show that since the rule change and the enforcement of the hand-check rule in the 2004-2005 season:
   
   • There has been a gradual and pronounced decline in the number of unassisted field goals, suggesting an advantage to perimeter players with significant ball-handling skills.
   • There has been an increase in the rate of 50-point games among perimeter players and a corresponding decline in 50-point games among post players.
   • There has been an increase in the perceived importance of the perimeter player as reflected in the MVP voting.
   • There has been an marginal shift in perimeter players who average over 20 points for a season and corresponding decline among post players. The elite scorers are now almost exclusively the domain name of the perimeter scorer.

 

[NoHalfWay]

I hate Michael Jordan stanleys with a passion. Everyone of them. The most stupid nikkas and bytches ever. MJ hated the zone defense. MJ would be great in any era but the zone defense is a nightmare for MJ and would require him like Giannis to develop a jumpshot which I don't believe he would have like Giannis. MJ would not average more than the usually top for today's scorers but the scouting and defensive schemes of today would not allow it.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

 

[#1 pick]

Now Bron peasants want to use the eye test and not data....

Because all Jordan fans are dumbasses. Every single one. They don't have a clue how the game is today. They just take a case like Steph Curry, say some shyt like, if MJ was defended like that, he would score 50, bet. Just stupid shyt when he would get the Giannis treatment

Muddy lanes. Two defenders on him at all times before he ever enters the paint. One of those defenders will have a plus +4 to +5 wingspan and has a defensive reputation. They are running a zone so its not easily the old double team and kick out pass situation so execution is twice as difficult. The zone rule changes have changed the NBA forever. The only reason we are seeing a pace and scoring uptick is because of shooting and movement from more positions to add more spacing.

Even with MJ, you can add spacing but those zone defenses will keep that ass limited to what you want to do.

In the 90s, its was like pro wrestling, you wasn't fukking with Hogan leg drop for shyt as plain as it was. 90s MJ was going to get to his spots, there wasn't going to be no defense that was going to challenge it as

A. The rules of illegal defense pretty much made it mano e mano
B. Your analytics was weak, you just had to trust that you knew just had to slow him down
C. Defensive talent just wasn't there at the time like it is today due to the player pool which is massive today.

This is how MJ could party like a rockstar and come in game 5 dropping 30+. The game just wasn't at that stage yet and he benefitted from that.

 

[nyknick]

Because all Jordan fans are dumbasses. Every single one. They don't have a clue how the game is today. They just take a case like Steph Curry, say some shyt like, if MJ was defended like that, he would score 50, bet. Just stupid shyt when he would get the Giannis treatment

Muddy lanes. Two defenders on him at all times before he ever enters the paint. One of those defenders will have a plus +4 to +5 wingspan and has a defensive reputation. They are running a zone so its not easily the old double team and kick out pass situation so execution is twice as difficult. The zone rule changes have changed the NBA forever. The only reason we are seeing a pace and scoring uptick is because of shooting and movement from more positions to add more spacing.

Even with MJ, you can add spacing but those zone defenses will keep that ass limited to what you want to do.

In the 90s, its was like pro wrestling, you wasn't fukking with Hogan leg drop for shyt as plain as it was. 90s MJ was going to get to his spots, there wasn't going to be no defense that was going to challenge it as

A. The rules of illegal defense pretty much made it mano e mano
B. Your analytics was weak, you just had to trust that you knew just had to slow him down
C. Defensive talent just wasn't there at the time like it is today due to the player pool which is massive today.

This is how MJ could party like a rockstar and come in game 5 dropping 30+. The game just wasn't at that stage yet and he benefitted from that.

I didn't want to open this thread because I thought there would be a lot of dumb sh*t said in here ... and I was right

 

[#1 pick]

I didn't want to open this thread because I thought there would be a lot of dumb sh*t said in here ... and I was right

Prime example of a dumbass nikka

 

[Luke Cage]

Larry Bird

He'd be even better in the three point era. Dude was literally considered one of the greatest shooters of all time but played mostly with his back to basket.

 

[#1 pick]

He'd be even better in the three point era. Dude was literally considered one of the greatest shooters of all time but played mostly with his back to basket.

@Rhakim

 

[Street Knowledge]

Any player from the past would be playing with better spacing around them then they did at any point of their career

 

[Luke Cage]

Stockton made 11 All-NBA teams from 1988 to 1999.

Now imagine him trying to compete against Curry, Dame, Kyrie, Harden, Westbrook, and CP3 for those spots. Even the next tier of Wall, Lowry, Klay, DeRozen, Kemba, Oladipo...anyone putting a John Stockton averaging something like 12 and 10 over them?

He'd be grinding as the starting point guard for some team but no way he'd be seen as a top-10 guard in this age.

stockton set wilt chamberlin level all time records, no way he'd be considered average if he was constantly leading the league in assists by far.
Actually if anything this era has shown that the score first point guard can't win title unless they are playing with Lebron or Kawhi. Rose, Kyrie, Westbrook, Wall, Lowry, Kemba all struggled to get finals without having the best player in the league on their team. Doesn't look any more impressive than anything Stockton did.