Where does the idea that LeBron is a better all around player than Jordan come from

[Rollo Goodlove]

This is a deflection.

You are implying that nothing Lebron has accomplished is on the level of Penny Hardaway and the Magic beating Jordan's Bulls in the playoffs.

Just staggering.

That's beside the point lebron what could LeBron do better than A healthy penny?

 

[HabitualChiller]

There's no aspect of basketball I'll take Lebron over Jordan. Its not even a conservation worth having. No disrespect to Lebron, but its not even close between them. Lebron is more on a level of Magic and Bird - (which is an extremely high level btw).

Lebron is the best player of his generation but he has also become extremely overblown and overrated by the media. For instance, he was (rightly) put in the top 5 of all time after his crowning career performance in the 2016 finals. But then over the course of 3 years, despite ZERO championships, ZERO finals MVP's, ZERO regular season MVP's and playing in an extremely weak conference, he was catapulted by the media to being all of a sudden 2nd best of all time only behind MJ? Some even say he's best of all time? Based on what? What exactly did he achieve in that time period that made him make that jump ahead of Magic or Kareem for example?

The only people that are in a position to compare Lebron and Jordan are:

• people of a certain age range that were NBA fans or even better Bulls fans during Jordan's prime
• people who have access to collection of Old Bulls games from the 80's and early 90's
• people who have taken their time to watch some Old Bulls games from that time period on Youtube. Youtube obviously doesn't have all the games but he has some

Just go back and watch Jordan's level of play in his 88, 89, 90 playoff runs. Even before he started winning Championships (because Jordan won his first ring at 28).

It's not even close. That is why this conversation is so irritating. Because you have people who don't know what they're talking about speaking with confidence about a debate that isn't even worth having.

How is it not worth having? I'm seeing a whole lot of opinion here instead of fact.

 

[DoubleClutch]

That's beside the point lebron what could LeBron do better than A healthy penny?

They can’t answer that question.

 

[Cadillac]

If you want to be real, Kobe is ahead of both MJ and D.Wade in assists all time. Largely ahead...

Also only behind Magic in assists all time for the Lakers franchise I believe.

the nikka played 20 seasons compared to MJ's 15

that does not mean hes better.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

In 2007,

MJ is the GOAT scorer...that’s not the argument. MJ was also a better perimeter defender. That’s coo but Bron is a better rebounder, a better passer, a better weakside defender and more versatile because of his size. If you can’t admit that then you’re just as much the stan you’re trying to label me as...

Jordan is a better offensive and defensive player than Lebron, better shooter (actually Jordan is the best midrange shooter in history), better at steals, better at blocks (yes), better FT shooter, better without the ball, has a much better handle and had less turnovers.

Jordan was also a better offensive rebounder than Lebron despite being 3 inches shorter than him. Lebron has more assists only because he spent his entire career playing as a point forward. When Jordan played as a point guard, he broke the record for consecutive triple doubles. When Jordan played as a point guard for half a season, in 1989, he had 32.5/8/8. When Jordan played as a point guard in the 89 playoff run, Jordan had 35/7/8/2.5/1 on 51 FG%. Jordan statistically is a more

Look at their stats before the Washington Wizards years when Jordan was already 39 and 40 years old. Jordan is better in virtually all per game stats. What's the discussion?

 

[Jplaya2023]

I thought we was done comparing cats since the great kobe abruptly left this plain?

But people miss context and perspective with these debates. Mj and lebron played in different eras with differnt2 styles of play and different responsibilities on offense to their respective teams

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Jordan proved he was the superior talent to Lebron in half the time.


Michael Jordan’s first 667 games, (Pre-Retirement) 84-93
3 Rings (6 career)
3 NBA MVPs (5 career)
3 Finals MVPs (6 career)
7 scoring titles (10 career)
3 steals titles
Defensive player of the year

Lebron James Career (1258 games)
3 Rings
4 NBA MVPs
3 Finals MVPs
1 scoring title

Lebron is in year 17 and still can't match Jordan's first 9 years. (8 actually since he barely played his sophomore season). There's a reason why after the first 3 peat, they quickly crowned him as the greatest ever. Even before Jordan won anything, everyone could see talent wise, this guy was on a different planet to anyone to ever play.

So again, what's the discussion?

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Jordan proved he was the superior talent to Lebron in half the time.


Michael Jordan’s first 667 games, (Pre-Retirement) 84-93
3 Rings (6 career)
3 NBA MVPs (5 career)
3 Finals MVPs (6 career)
7 scoring titles (10 career)
3 steals titles
Defensive player of the year

Lebron James Career (1258 games)
3 Rings
4 NBA MVPs
3 Finals MVPs
1 scoring title

Lebron is in year 17 and still can't match Jordan's first 9 years. (8 actually since he barely played his sophomore season). There's a reason why after the first 3 peat, they quickly crowned him as the greatest ever. Even before Jordan won anything, everyone could see talent wise, this guy was on a different planet to anyone to ever play.

So again, what's the discussion?

Knowledge.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Lebron stans who are mostly basketball illiterate people, use the fact that Lebron has more career rebounds and assists than Jordan (notice they never talk about points, steals, blocks, FT% etc).

Never mind that Lebron is much taller and stronger than Jordan and they play different positions and that the ball has always been in Lebron's hands throughout his career so he can farm assists, unlike Jordan who was an off ball player. Also, I'll be really worried if my shooting guard was outrebounding my small forward.

Also, never mind the fact that players like Westbrook also have more assists and rebounds than Lebron on average. Yet Lebron stans never say Westbrook is more "versatile" and "complete". I also, dont know were this retarded idea of rebounds and assists being the benchmark for who is the most "complete".

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Having watched both, I'm definitely taking Mike over Bron.


I've never feared LeBron going up against my team.I always feel like there's a possibility he might bytch out.


Jordan was a maniacal psychopath.I feared what he'd do to my team.Dashed my dreams in the '93 Finals

 

[O.T.I.S.]

the nikka played 20 seasons compared to MJ's 15

that does not mean hes better.

He was injured for like 2 of them


Nobody told MJ to retire twice... and he still wouldn’t have been close if they both played 20

 

[O.T.I.S.]

In 2007,


Jordan is a better offensive and defensive player than Lebron, better shooter (actually Jordan is the best midrange shooter in history), better at steals, better at blocks (yes), better FT shooter, better without the ball, has a much better handle and had less turnovers.

Jordan was also a better offensive rebounder than Lebron despite being 3 inches shorter than him. Lebron has more assists only because he spent his entire career playing as a point forward. When Jordan played as a point guard, he broke the record for consecutive triple doubles. When Jordan played as a point guard for half a season, in 1989, he had 32.5/8/8. When Jordan played as a point guard in the 89 playoff run, Jordan had 35/7/8/2.5/1 on 51 FG%. Jordan statistically is a more

Look at their stats before the Washington Wizards years when Jordan was already 39 and 40 years old. Jordan is better in virtually all per game stats. What's the discussion?

Well... this just about ends it then

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

I already broke it down stats wise that Jordan is comfortably superior to Lebron in a previous page and is a more complete player. Check my post on page 2 for those who missed it. Of course, Lebron stans like @Rhakim @steph_harden don't like to talk about actually WINNING games.

But I challenge any Lebron fan, using stats they love so much to come here and debate on why Lebron is a more "complete" or "all round" player than Michael Jordan. Because the stats simply don't support that argument at all.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

How is it not worth having? I'm seeing a whole lot of opinion here instead of fact.

Aren’t you the liar that said MJ was filming Space Jam before announcing his come back in 95 even though filming didn’t start till that Summer?

You’re still on punishment

 

[MoneyTron]

Jordan was a better scorer and better defender. That's all I need to know.