When the People Cheer: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America By Questlove

[theworldismine13]

By getting back to the basics, and focusing on the fundamentals. It shouldn't be impossible, since almost every other race accomplishes this with ease.

First step, make an effort.

Nurturing growth and development is not a great mystery.

the first step is recognizing what a cesspool rap music has become

 

[Suicide King]

the first step is recognizing what a cesspool rap music has become

The only thing I recognize kids are left to fend for themselves and figure the world out on their own, I want parents to offer kids guidance and love.

This is the first step, our people need to make an effort. We need to stop being lazy or lackadaisical about love, life, and family.

We can do it, every other race can form a good foundation for their community to be productive.

good foundation = productive individuals
bad foundation = dysfunction individuals

 

[theworldismine13]

The only thing I recognize kids are left to fend for themselves and figure the world out on their own, I want parents to offer kids guidance and love.

This is the first step, our people need to make an effort. We need to stop being lazy or lackadaisical about love, life, and family.

We can do it, every other race can form a good foundation for their community to be productive.

good foundation = productive individuals
bad foundation = dysfunction individuals

ok, i dont think anybody is disputing that, the question is how

 

[Suicide King]

ok, i dont think anybody is disputing that, the question is how

By parents being parents and raising their kids.

 

[theworldismine13]

By parents being parents and raising their kids.

but what if the parent is in jail, on drugs or a teenager?

 

[BiggWebb79]

By parents being parents and raising their kids.

Lack of responsibility, so the blame gotta be placed somewhere.

 

[Suicide King]

but what if the parent is in jail, on drugs or a teenager?

You can't be serious.

 

[theworldismine13]

You can't be serious.

why wouldnt i be serious?

 

[Suicide King]

why wouldnt i be serious?

Parent is in jail. I would assume the child is in a kind and loving home.

Parent is on drugs, that's child endangerment. I hope they remove the child from the unstable environment and place the child in a kind and loving home.

Parent is a teenager. I hope at any signs of neglect they remove the child from the unstable environment and place the child in a kind and loving home.

 

[theworldismine13]

Parent is in jail. I would assume the child is in a kind and loving home.

Parent is on drugs, that's child endangerment. I hope they remove the child from the unstable home and place the child in a kind and loving home.

Parent is a teenager. I hope at the first signs of neglect they remove the child from the unstable home and place the child in a kind and loving home.

ok, so your solution is hope?

 

[Suicide King]

ok, so your solution is hope?

No. The solution is intervention.

Children are to be safe and protected at all times.

 

[theworldismine13]

No. The solution is intervention.

Children are to be safe and protected at all times.

ok, sounds like a plan!

 

[Kritic]

I think many of the "heads" from my generation are upset with the way that hip-hop turned out. When I was listening to hip-hop in 1997, I would have never thought that Rodney O and Joe Cooley's "Everlasting Bass" and Three Six Mafia's Sound in general would become the dominant form of music in 2014. I was quite sure that the Underground Sound ( Rawkus Records, Jedi mind Tricks, East Coast/ California Underground) would take over like many underground movements had in the past (Punk for example). But, Alas, I was wrong, and most people in that scene were wrong.

Now that Trap EDM has now become hugely popular and replacing Dubstep. DJ paul and Juicy J (and Rodney O and Joe Cooley) have really become the Most influential Hip-hop producers of all time. And why shouldn't they? They had a very unique and consistent sound, and that sound didn't exist before them. Boom-bap Hip-hop had its roots in late 80's NYC hip-hop. It was an evolution of NYC 80's hip-hop, and a rehash of early 70's Fusion funk and soul music.

In contrast, while there are certainly influences that led the Memphis Sound, there was nothing like it that predated it. The Memphis Sound was and still is a fresh sound. It's not the Sound of Hip-hop to the Gen-X and those over 30 Years old. The sound of Hip-hop to us (those 30 y/o +) sounds like the music of our parents. Hip-hop from the 90's sounds like music for the early seventies, and that gives people the false impression of cycles. However, I don't think people realize that funk and soul music in the 70's was largely heard only in the Black Community. It wasn't a mainstream sound back then, so when White people heard 90's hip-hop. They had never heard anything like Roy Ayers style soul music before, and to them, it was a fresh sound. The Memphis Sound doesn't sound like anything before 1997.

The Memphis scene was largely regarded as dumb and anti-intellectual music by the dominant East Coast and West Coast Hip-Hop elitists. I think this was the clue to its future dominance that most people missed. Music is supposed to be about having fun. The Memphis Scene gave rise to Mosh-pits and a fresh new injection of energy and rhythm. Conversely, the underground Hip-Hop scene was constricted by strict technicality and College Kids who analyzed every lyric. In a way, it was an appeal to our parents. We wanted our music to be respected as something on par with their Bop-Jazz music, their 60's rock music, or their 70's soul music. However, music that takes over disregards the past. Jazz sounded nothing like anything that predated it, and it was largely regarded as crap by the then older generation. Trap, Drill, Trap EMD and even Dubstep came from a form of music that most of the Elitists of the past hated-- Memphis Crunk music. It was regarded as crap, ghetto, and a blemish on the black community. But you know what, it's really not crap. Three Six Mafia's Production techniques were actually much more complex that anything in the 90s. Today's basement Trap and Drill producers have a much higher standard of quality than the Sample based producers of the 90s. From a production standpoint, the music far more complex and technical than it was in the 90's.

i don't agree with this post.

dubstep evolved from uk garage sound.

in the uk, black artists rapped reggae to "techno speed" music.. so to speak. that wasn't popular until the white artists made it mainstream.

somewhere in the last 3 years remixes of that sound of popular songs started making it into the underground "dubstep". basically taking popular hiphop songs vocals. and once those djs or producers made a name for themselves, then branched out as their own artists.

dubstep producers aren't respected and generally considered a joke. look at skrillex winning that award. dubstep isn't complicated at all. it's just turning nobs making weird sounds with effects.
hiphop turntablism which is or should be the backbone of hiphop takes actual talent. dubstep, just like the fruityloops producers, doesn't take much. its all computer generated music which doesn't take much to come up with. there's no real ear or talent that takes to make computer generated music anymore.
you must really be crazy thinking trap producers have higher standards than producers of the 90s.

your favorite trap or edm "producer" or dj just bought his song from beatport for almost nothing and put his name on it.
you see them pretending to be djs and producers all the time when virtual dj does the work for them.


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trap music started by taking drug references off hiphop vocals and placing them on the edm production. this doesn't make trap music any better than trash gangsta rap promoted by the filthy hollywood which wants the youth high and distracted all the time. so trap music's foundation is just as trash and gangsta rap.

 

[Swirv]

Good thing he is a great muscician. There is more to black music than hip hop and American artists.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Believe it or not, a lot of people did. And content? I will agree, Nas touches more topics than Jay. He has broader content. But the main content between the two is virtually the same. And where a lot of people side with Jay over Nas, was that the drug dealer/in the streets/get money lifestyle really was Jay. Even his detractors admit that what he raps was his real life. The image became popular, so all of a sudden, Nas became Escobar. This was never co-signed by anybody who knew him. Isn't the fake sh!t one of the biggest problems in hip hop today? Rick Ross comes to mind.

This is retarded