When the People Cheer: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America By Questlove

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theworldismine13

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I agree that it isn't positive. I just think even if it was, it wouldn't change much, just like golden age Hip-hop didn't stop the crack epidemic or lower crime.

There is nothing special or peculiar about black people in terms of human history and especially in modern western society the prosperity of a group is linked directly to levels of education and IMO education is determined by your culture's or communities attitude toward education

So basically IMO the attitude toward education is one of the main determining factors more than racism so anything that stops or slows down Black culture from becoming more positive and more academic is detrimental to black people

You don't think it's a big deal because you are from the political school of thought that thinks changes comes through government programs and government initiative, so you want black people to demand government programs as opposed to black people simply fixing it ourselves on our own initiative, that is why you balk in horror over urban prep
 
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People are weak minded, whether its selfies in front of moving trains or wearing pink, that's the "effect" not the "cause."

Being weak minded is why they wear pink or take selfies in front of moving trains.

Do we blame social network or the idiot with the Samsung Galaxy?
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Children are weak minded and impressionable.
That is the entire point. :snoop:
 

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Children are weak minded and impressionable.
That is the entire point. :snoop:



I just want parents to give their children useful knowledge/wisdom to conquer the world. That's why I say you need both knowledge AND education for a strong mind.

Its like we want everyone to be in charge of our black youths development except the parents. I'm sorry, its not hip-hop's job.

Not sure why we want everyone from Viacom to Jay-Z to be surrogate parents.

Its odd that this is the sentiment, I can only guess hip-hop raised you guys instead of your parents, so you feel that's its purpose.
 

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I agree that it isn't positive. I just think even if it was, it wouldn't change much, just like golden age Hip-hop didn't stop the crack epidemic or lower crime.
I generally agree with this. But playing devil's advocate for a sec, the crack epidemic tailed off in the early 90's, especially in terms of new young users getting hooked. Kids my age knew smoking crack was not the business by time we were pre-teens (didn't stop anybody from selling though).

There was a lot of anti-crack propaganda present in hip-hop. Rappers made smoking crack the wackest, most swagless shyt a person can do and ridiculed it in songs and skits. The Night of the Living Baseheads video was brilliant.

Sadly a lot of people got hooked on crack in the 80's because they didn't know what hellish drug it was when they first tried it. I will say at the very least hip-hop helped sound the alarm to kids that smoking crack was not some shyt you do. But whether that had an appreciable impact (say separate from the mainstream media and just experience in the community and word of mouth) in terms of prevention, I'm not sure. Probably not.

EDIT: I don't even have a point here for real. I just got nostalgic about the golden age for a second.
 
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I just want parents to give their children useful knowledge/wisdom to conquer the world. That's why I say you need both knowledge AND education for a strong mind.

Its like we want everyone to be in charge of our black youths development except the parents. I'm sorry, its not hip-hop's job.

Not sure why we want everyone from Viacom to Jay-Z to be surrogate parents.

Its odd that this is the sentiment, I can only guess hip-hop raised you guys instead of your parents, so you feel that's its purpose.

its not what anybody wants, its what is happening, if there is a breakdown in the family, then that means the family has little impact and other forces have more impact, good or bad

is it wise for us as black people to ignore the notion that rap music might be one of these forces and it might be a negative force?

despite the jewish gibberish i think one of the very truthful points made in the thread i made with the video about entertainment being a weapon against black people, is that why do people readily acknowledge that rap music makes people buy into fashion trends and consumer products and even politics, we even brag about the influence rap music has on american culture but when the assertion is made that rap music also causes people to engage in anti social behavior somehow people refuse to make that obvious logical leap
 

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its not what anybody wants, its what is happening

i think one of the very truthful points made in the thread i made with the video about entertainment being a weapon against black people, is that why do people readily acknowledge that rap music makes people by into fashion trends and consumer products and even politics, we even brag about the influence rap music has on american culture but when the assertion is made that rap music also causes people to engage in anti social behavior somehow people refuse to make that obvious logical leap

I almost feel like an a$$hole for suggesting that improving family ties and the value system (which focuses on education) in the community will make a difference in overcoming ANY bad influence.
 

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I just want parents to give their children useful knowledge/wisdom to conquer the world. That's why I say you need both knowledge AND education for a strong mind.

Its like we want everyone to be in charge of our black youths development except the parents. I'm sorry, its not hip-hop's job.

Not sure why we want everyone from Viacom to Jay-Z to be surrogate parents.

Its odd that this is the sentiment, I can only guess hip-hop raised you guys instead of your parents, so you feel that's its purpose.
viacom and jay-z are more to blame. eg. in the electoral campaign, they can pour millions of dollars in a campaign and brainwash ppl to believe whatever they want to and whoever has more money will will. it ain't about truth.
it's the same thing with these companies, they have million dollar campaigns to profit off hiphop without being socially responsible. look at what they've done to BET now they have grown women fighting each other and kids looking at mimi's porn now. they encourage this type of behavior.
we just can't put it on parents when real parents don't have time to raise kids. and the moment their nonsense becomes part of pop culture checks it.

we should hold all these corporations responsible. from viacom to jay-z to puff dadda to all these artists. mostly the corporations. we should expose all these corporations and the people that work for them.
 

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I almost feel like an @sshole for suggesting that improving family ties and the value system (which focuses on education) in the community will make a difference in overcoming ANY bad influence.

that goes without saying, the question is how do we create that in the black community

im asserting that rap music is not helping and its actually hurting, rap music actually amplifies the anti academic aspects of african american culture and promotes negativity in the same way nike promotes is products

there is no logical reason to think that the influence of rap music is limited to fashion and consumer goods
 

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I just want parents to give their children useful knowledge/wisdom to conquer the world. That's why I say you need both knowledge AND education for a strong mind.

Its like we want everyone to be in charge of our black youths development except the parents. I'm sorry, its not hip-hop's job.

Not sure why we want everyone from Viacom to Jay-Z to be surrogate parents.

Its odd that this is the sentiment, I can only guess hip-hop raised you guys instead of your parents, so you feel that's its purpose.
corporations have fuqqed up hiphop just like they've fuqqed up politics. they target young, desperate, ignorant artists and only promote ignorance.
the positive artists don't have the money or platform to go against them. informed artists are a threat to the existence of the music industry. they've bought the entertainment lawyers and system.

i doubt quest wrote the article. but assuming he wrote it, he's not in a position to critic the situation being he gets a check from msnbc playing that bullsh1t.. another corporation brainwashing ppl with ignorance. he's just another tool. he's part of the establishment.
 

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I think many of the "heads" from my generation are upset with the way that hip-hop turned out. When I was listening to hip-hop in 1997, I would have never thought that Rodney O and Joe Cooley's "Everlasting Bass" and Three Six Mafia's Sound in general would become the dominant form of music in 2014. I was quite sure that the Underground Sound ( Rawkus Records, Jedi mind Tricks, East Coast/ California Underground) would take over like many underground movements had in the past (Punk for example). But, Alas, I was wrong, and most people in that scene were wrong.

Now that Trap EDM has now become hugely popular and replacing Dubstep. DJ paul and Juicy J (and Rodney O and Joe Cooley) have really become the Most influential Hip-hop producers of all time. And why shouldn't they? They had a very unique and consistent sound, and that sound didn't exist before them. Boom-bap Hip-hop had its roots in late 80's NYC hip-hop. It was an evolution of NYC 80's hip-hop, and a rehash of early 70's Fusion funk and soul music.

In contrast, while there are certainly influences that led the Memphis Sound, there was nothing like it that predated it. The Memphis Sound was and still is a fresh sound. It's not the Sound of Hip-hop to the Gen-X and those over 30 Years old. The sound of Hip-hop to us (those 30 y/o +) sounds like the music of our parents. Hip-hop from the 90's sounds like music for the early seventies, and that gives people the false impression of cycles. However, I don't think people realize that funk and soul music in the 70's was largely heard only in the Black Community. It wasn't a mainstream sound back then, so when White people heard 90's hip-hop. They had never heard anything like Roy Ayers style soul music before, and to them, it was a fresh sound. The Memphis Sound doesn't sound like anything before 1997.

The Memphis scene was largely regarded as dumb and anti-intellectual music by the dominant East Coast and West Coast Hip-Hop elitists. I think this was the clue to its future dominance that most people missed. Music is supposed to be about having fun. The Memphis Scene gave rise to Mosh-pits and a fresh new injection of energy and rhythm. Conversely, the underground Hip-Hop scene was constricted by strict technicality and College Kids who analyzed every lyric. In a way, it was an appeal to our parents. We wanted our music to be respected as something on par with their Bop-Jazz music, their 60's rock music, or their 70's soul music. However, music that takes over disregards the past. Jazz sounded nothing like anything that predated it, and it was largely regarded as crap by the then older generation. Trap, Drill, Trap EMD and even Dubstep came from a form of music that most of the Elitists of the past hated-- Memphis Crunk music. It was regarded as crap, ghetto, and a blemish on the black community. But you know what, it's really not crap. Three Six Mafia's Production techniques were actually much more complex that anything in the 90s. Today's basement Trap and Drill producers have a much higher standard of quality than the Sample based producers of the 90s. From a production standpoint, the music far more complex and technical than it was in the 90's.
 

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that goes without saying, the question is how do we create that in the black community


By getting back to the basics, and focusing on the fundamentals. It shouldn't be impossible, since almost every other race accomplishes this with ease.

First step, make an effort.

Nurturing growth and development is not a great mystery.
 
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