theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Bu bu bu bu but why is questlove blaming the music, music is just a product of the environment, why doesn't he address the real issues?
When the People Cheer: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America By Questlove
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I'd say Black America failed to maintain control of Hip Hop or at least keep a piece of it which stays true to its original purpose. This is the price of overwhelming commercial success.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
fukk this fat idiot
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
But at least we still got lil boosie, he's keeping it real
Don't blame Boosie for Blackstar not making an album in awhile, I think it'd be a good look if they did.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
But seriously
what really happened to rap music is that Delores Tucker was right and Russell Simmons was wrong
what really happened to rap music is that Delores Tucker was right and Russell Simmons was wrong
It's a tough call. Like Adorno says in the clip above, when the "horrendous" is taken and made "consumable", the message is lost. Like the instance something becomes spectacle, the message matters less.
Then again I also think that Yeezus is a perfect synthesis of message with spectacle so what do I know?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Don't blame Boosie for Blackstar not making an album in awhile, I think it'd be a good look if they did.
I'm not blaming boosie I'm blaming Russell Simmons and his ilk and your ilk for telling us that we need to defend somebody like lil boosie, I'm blaming myself too for letting a clown like Russell Simmons misguide me
In no way would I defend Lil Boosie, but Tucker was wrong, too. The lyrics she despised in hip-hop have been in Black music since before she was born.
Crime is lower than it has been in the past decades, drug use has also decreased among youth, sexual activity has also decreased among youth, yet rap songs about drugs, crime, and sleeping around remain on top, just as songs with these topics have always been popular in Black music since at least the 1920s. Clearly music has not been a major factor in any of these things, especially since crime, for example, was far higher during the Golden Age of hip-hop when conscious artists were more popular and more prolific.
Breh you're entitled to believe what you want you don't have to "defend" anyone but yourself if you choose. Some of us just have a different view on things from you, a much different view.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Breh you're entitled to believe what you want you don't have to "defend" anyone but yourself if you choose. Some of us just have a different view on things from you, a much different view.
Sure, I was about to say the same to you
Insensitive
Superstar
If you let another man misguide you, that tells me
You couldn't think for yourself in the first place
The problem always gets muddled though, black people are treated
like special cases who can't differentiate reality from entertainment.
is even if Black star dropped an album it wouldn't
change the average lower income black person's state of affairs.
I mean if Lupe fiasco and Kid Cudi were blaring over the radio all the time :
iIt wouldn't stop poor kids from being poor.
It wouldn't suddenly stop the failing of inner city public schools.
It wouldn't suddenly stop police corruption.
it wouldn't suddenly stop the incredible wealth that's generated
from drugs illegally imported into this country.
It wouldn't stop a whole host of other things I could list.
When Michael Jackson and Prince were running the charts we still
had ghetto's, we still had heroin (and then crack) completely decimating
neighborhoods, we still had areas like Harlem, Watts etc.
seen as "Bad Places" among other things.
Dudes can post dumb shyt like "bu bu bu but Real issues!" all they want
but I would imagine fixing these things would take precedent over criticizing rappers
and their content.
You couldn't think for yourself in the first place
The problem always gets muddled though, black people are treated
like special cases who can't differentiate reality from entertainment.
I think the issue here that these guys seem to miss,Don't blame Boosie for Blackstar not making an album in awhile, I think it'd be a good look if they did.
is even if Black star dropped an album it wouldn't
change the average lower income black person's state of affairs.
I mean if Lupe fiasco and Kid Cudi were blaring over the radio all the time :
iIt wouldn't stop poor kids from being poor.
It wouldn't suddenly stop the failing of inner city public schools.
It wouldn't suddenly stop police corruption.
it wouldn't suddenly stop the incredible wealth that's generated
from drugs illegally imported into this country.
It wouldn't stop a whole host of other things I could list.
When Michael Jackson and Prince were running the charts we still
had ghetto's, we still had heroin (and then crack) completely decimating
neighborhoods, we still had areas like Harlem, Watts etc.
seen as "Bad Places" among other things.
Dudes can post dumb shyt like "bu bu bu but Real issues!" all they want
but I would imagine fixing these things would take precedent over criticizing rappers
and their content.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
If you let another man misguide you, that tells me
You couldn't think for yourself in the first place
The problem always gets muddled though, black people are treated
like special cases who can't differentiate reality from entertainment.
I think the issue here that these guys seem to miss,
is even if Black star dropped an album it wouldn't
change the average lower income black person's state of affairs.
I mean if Lupe fiasco and Kid Cudi were blaring over the radio all the time :
iIt wouldn't stop poor kids from being poor.
It wouldn't suddenly stop the failing of inner city public schools.
It wouldn't suddenly stop police corruption.
it wouldn't suddenly stop the incredible wealth that's generated
from drugs illegally imported into this country.
It wouldn't stop a whole host of other things I could list.
When Michael Jackson and Prince were running the charts we still
had ghetto's, we still had heroin (and then crack) completely decimating
neighborhoods, we still had areas like Harlem, Watts etc.
seen as "Bad Places" among other things.
Dudes can post dumb shyt like "bu bu bu but Real issues!" all they want
but I would imagine fixing these things would take precedent over criticizing rappers
and their content.
None of those things would change becuase at the heart of all those problems was an anti academic culture, if somebody or an artist is not uplifting or pushing forward black culture then they are contributing to the decay of black people themselves
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Not even tucker blames the music for crime, her point was that music was not positive and uplifting to the black race
Her point was that we need to have standards, Russell's point and apparently yours and in the past mines was that standards are unnecessary
I realized my mistake so I'm backtracking and siding with tucker
He touched on a few things but I'll just address one.
Great phrase he used there, "vague coolness". You notice how some of the new Kanye "fans" attend his shows in the same way some bought tickets to see Charlie Sheen when he was putting on performances during that whole "tiger blood" period? They weren't sure what was going to happen but simply wanted to be a part of something..say they were there, attach themselves to something they view as cool or edgy? A lot of hiphop 'fans" are that way now, even a lot of new Black Hiphop fans. You see how they dismiss lyrics, dismiss fraudulence, dismiss sharking? It's because they couldn't care less about hiphop/rap, it's just a object to attach themselves to, to live vicariously while listening to some fantasy they're not living. Not because that element wasn't present before in music but now that's all there is for a big chunk of listeners (before I'd have said people participating in Hiphop culture). Now the cool thing is to emphasize how you're not a rapper and don't need to rap, making it seem like it's little/nothing to you.
Everything is about identity, whether it's music or politics, the electronics a person buys, they're trying to convey something, that's just being human, the problem is people are so lazy, that they want to easiest way to broadcast who they want to be portrayed as, without actually having to be that or do anything. I'll beat you over the head with how "liberal" I am, because that makes me a good person (without having to actually do anything for anyone else or put my money where my mouth is!) I listen to this artist and I'll get street cred from that, or stating where I'm from, without having to do anything to prove or earn it. A lot of people are attaching themselves to Hiphop but they're NOT fans of genre/art, it just expresses how cool they feel they are. When they're done with it, they'll take that cap off just as easily as they put on it. It's a free country., I just wouldn't get over-impressed by the ubiquitousness right now.
Everything is about identity, whether it's music or politics, the electronics a person buys, they're trying to convey something, that's just being human, the problem is people are so lazy, that they want to easiest way to broadcast who they want to be portrayed as, without actually having to be that or do anything. I'll beat you over the head with how "liberal" I am, because that makes me a good person (without having to actually do anything for anyone else or put my money where my mouth is!) I listen to this artist and I'll get street cred from that, or stating where I'm from, without having to do anything to prove or earn it. A lot of people are attaching themselves to Hiphop but they're NOT fans of genre/art, it just expresses how cool they feel they are. When they're done with it, they'll take that cap off just as easily as they put on it. It's a free country.
, I just wouldn't get over-impressed by the ubiquitousness right now.
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