Bruh...aren’t you Ice Cold Perm? If so you ain’t even black lmao.
What's this Black folk were in America before slaves were brought over????
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so this were u dudes went
ive explained this before, but for the sake of the thread i will explain it again
the increase in numbers are due to a few circumstances taking place,
1. when cotton became king and sugar began to boom the sale of rum, and nature began to kick slave masters ass in southern americas, many slave owners come to america, with their slaves which increased the numbers of us here in america. its the same reason so many blacks exist in the north of america from the south, because nature began kicking the farmers ass, research the boll weevil , it was a insect that fed on cotton buds and cotton flowers that aided in destroying cotton farming, which led us into the industrial revolution and steel industries which drove us up north. these things play a role in how many blacks came to the u.s because for a period of time as indigo and tobacco became smaller industries, cotton was king, sugar cane that produced the rum reigned so we were moved around heavily for that reason
2. 1808 british abolished slavery and this caused 2 things to happen that increased our numbers domestically, a) illegal slave runs, basically african slaves were being bootlegged, b) other slave owners began setting up what is called sex farms, where they would promise a african woman her freedom is she produced 15-20 kids. in cases like baltimore, africans were forced to breed, which led to mothers breeding with their sons, fathers breeding with their daughters etc. again this increased our numbers in these circumstances, asking why we dont match up with the numbers is like asking how much liquor was sold during prohibition, there is no way to really know. so many undocumented, cases where we were counted as 3/5 of a man to manipulate voting and policy numbers.
if you want more information on illegal slave runs, research the west african squadron, which was a british naval ship company set up to stop all the illegal slave piracy that was taking place. bootlegging slaves became big business once the british abolished slavery. sold for more because it was now illegal.
and the last thing is just nature, numbers have increased for everyone here including the europeans who now stand at estimated 180 million in america. 1790 census says it was only about 2 million white people here in america, now they are at 180 million, how did they increase to more than us? are they the original natives? i dont believe that, im just saying you have to be careful with that number argument.
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I’m gucci breh. The depictions by the people who came here tell everything I need to know about the subject...
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You're a dishonest hypocrite. You're here differentiating between the discrepancies in Alfredo Antonio's life story and his persona as a scholar. As if they're not related.
But you're a Malcolm X personality worshipper, so your hypocrisy is not surprising.
The man's entire public persona, which includes his "scholarship," is a lie, or at least has serious credibility issues. His name and what it means, and where he's from, and his degrees, cannot be separated from his attempts to be recognized as a great Black teacher. All of that was used to enhance his perceived stature and Blackness. But when you're a personality worshipper, the truth really doesn't matters.
You post a video of the man, or mention him as a source, then get upset when someone else doesn't feel he's beyond reproach like you. Ole, "stick to the topic" ass n-ggas.
As for this thread's topic:
LOST FOUND MUSLIM LESSON NO.1,
Answer No. 3:
...the original man is the God and Owner of the Earth, and knows every square inch of it....
But @ba'al knows and co-signs this lesson, being that he loves Minister Malcolm X and all, and there's no difference between the Malcolm that taught this and El Hajj Malik El Shabazz. Right?
Didn't read all you type there buddy but aye which college or university did Elijah Muhammad get his lessons from?I heard he had a 4th-grade education no knock to him but Don't see why you shytting on Dr.Ben with this academic argument but praise elijah for the same reason. And Dr.Ben gave his library to the nation before he passed.
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Mercenary
I knew you would say and resort to this
He never lied about his education. He's proof you don't need an advanced, formal education to be good for Black people, so why lie about it. It's the LIES, NOT THE LACK OF A DEGREE, I'm pointing out, but I think you understand that.
He was more successful helping Black than Alfredo Antonio could be in 1000 lifetimes
Alfredo Antonio used to sh-t on Elijah in the name of El Hajj Malik El Shabazz, so I felt compelled to take it there.
I'm glad you did you don't say much of anything when I read an article from you it's one big strawman, like we not even dicussing the topic honestly we dicussing some monkey shyt you want to argue and nit pick about not really interested in these sidebar conversations. So next time you can get to the damn point i mean got damn. Look at all that monkey shyt and it's not even on topic bruh like really.
Now what does this have to do with the topic. You hurt because you don't like Dr.ben but praise Elijah for not being a academic I don't get it honestly. Was the information he presented acurate on the origins of blacks in america or is Elijah being on a UFO the only accurate information out there?
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If nikkas was here already....how were they livin?
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You're the one that brought up an old back and forth you and I had that has nothing to do with this thread's topic. Strawman my ass. Hypocrite
I directly addressed a post you made on this topic by saying you posted a fraud, but it wasn't "on topic enough" for you. Alfredo Antonio is suspect, deal with it.
Now you're talking about UFOs, but telling me to stay on topic. You're a f-cking clown
Glad you keep it short this time, lmao shyt nikka. So you just don't like Dr.Ben you didn't have anything to say about the actual topic or the other scholars presented just cherry picked Dr.Ben to go on your rant about, okay, got it. I don't give a shyt about your opinion now that you finally expressed it without the articles honestly. Esepcially if you can't argue against his information he'd presented.
And the nation honored Dr.Ben and took in his library that means they took in a fraud according to you? I guess that make sense with what Elijah Poole's own son said about him and the nation.
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I addressed your post directly, and you had no response. You randomly brought The Nation of Islam into this thread and made it personal with me. Not my fault Dr Ben ain't a doctor nor a continental African.
lmao nah you double talk and deflect like hell. Might've thrown a clause or two in there in the midst of your tangent so you could say "look see I mentioned for a sentece or two" but you was on a rant about Dr.ben in my notifications not about the topic.
Either way it doesn't negate the point of even mentioning about his nationality. People said this was something coined by African Americans earlier, him being a puerto rican wouldn't make him AA. I don't really care what his nationality is honestly.
Unfortunately we don't know enough to say that I don't think. For one we don't know if the numbers we are getting now are accurate or not,about how many of us and them are here. Also while I will say that I think you are overlooking the breeding aspect,because its been told that the average slave woman would have 10 kids and population shot up "naturally" for lack of a better word
. But at the same time in places like Haiti the slaves were dying off quickly due to being over worked,and babies weren't surviving pregnancies due to the conditions. So how much better were conditions over here,that the slave women could have 10 babies on average
?"The rapid rate of death of slaves during this period set the stage for the Haitian revolution by necessitating the import of more slaves from Africa. These were people who had known freedom, some of whom had been captured as soldiers and had military training. Before the beginning of the French Revolution in 1789 there were eight times as many slaves in the colony as there were white and mixed-race people put together.[35] In 1789 the French were importing 30,000 slaves a year and there were half a million slaves in the French part of the island alone, compared to about 30,000 whites.[36]"
And people say this is anti blackness,even when you think about how Africans came over to help Hatians achieve a uprising,no matter how that ended up working out
. It still shows what can happen when we work together as black people and put tribe aside
But we will probably never know at this point breh,as much as they could be lying for the reasons you claim they could be lying about other aspects for other reasons.
So many more slaves are reported to have been taken Spanish America and Brazil than were bought to America. Like 50% compared to the 5% bought to North America. That in itself is fishy to me and reinforces your point. But on the other hand they could be telling the truth about those numbers in other countries,and lying about the numbers in ours after seeing succesful uprisings.But we have read accounts about black populations being depleted due to so much kidnapping,and they had huge fleets. If they can increase the prison population like they have in a short time,the first slavery doesn't seem impossible after centuries.
Thats ridiculous and I don't think you are getting the whole point. The point is we were everywhere before whites even came into existence,including America. So slavery is not the only way we came to be in the americas.
The famous Maya people were partly Black
Yes black people ended up becoming different tribes,but there wasn't a bunch of different tribes in the beginning. Black people are the original people,and we inhabited every where on this earth,America including.. Anybody saying all of the slaves here were just black people who were conquered and put into slavery,thats another story. But I don't think thats whats being said,but thats how people who don't believe it interpret it. In such a rush to defend the white mans so called science and the white washed history they were taught
Which is hilarious to even see people defend the white supremacist version of history. Have a preponderance of evidence that the WS system roams around colonize and rewrite the history or majorly marginalize the conquered and believe them brehs. Hell read some of the WS explorers books and notes and they describe black people. Nevermind the litany of evidence in literal rock all around the world.