What Quarterbacks today would you take over A Prime Mcnabb?

[Rapmastermind]

I agree to some extent, McNabb was never elite just as Ben isn't elite. I can see how someone could argue Ben being better than McNabb (though I disagree), but to scoff at the idea of McNabb being better than Ben is ridiculous.

How was Mcnabb "Never" Elite when only Brady and Manning won more games than him during his Era? He actually won more Playoff games than Manning during the 2000-2010 Decade. During the 2000-2004 seasons Mcnabb was clearly on of the best QB's in the NFL year in and year out. You don't make it to 5 NFC Title Games and not be Elite. There haven't been 5 QB's in NFL History that can say they played in 5 Conference title games. Those are historic numbers. As for the Big Ben, Eli Debate. Mcnabb doesn't have the rings but he has been to the Playoffs just as much and they are still behind him in overall wins though their careers are still going. Mcnabb has better passing and INT ratio than Eli and Ben. It's not outlashish to say he's better than Both just cause they won rings. Marino is better than both and he has no rings, Kelly is better than both he has no rings. Plus Mcnabb beat them both while he was playing especially Eli serveral times including in the Playoffs. The Fact is I'd only take about 4 or 5 QB's playing right now over Mcnabb in his Prime. Cause Prime Mcnabb made the Eagles relevant again.

 

[FTBS]

on one end it's he didn't have elite receivers, they you'll turn around and give david fukking givens credit for making plays. didn't freddie catch that 4th and 26? didn't he call plays while mcnabb was choking? pinkston didn't have 82 yards in the SB? didn't greg lewis catch a TD in the same game? didn't they make the SB w/o an injured T.O?

or does mcnabb get sole credit for that?

as I said, you give credit only when its convenient.

strawman. I never denied Freddie's role in 4 and 26 as a matter of fact I hadn't mentioned the shyt in this thread so how do you know how much credit I give him for it? What basis did you have to even make that assertion?

The problem with simple nikkas is that it is hard for them to understand concepts. Were there instances where Donovan's receivers played well? Yes. Otherwise they wouldnt' have been in the league. Did they do so consistently or on a level comparable to what some other top QBs WR corps have? No. I can point to instances where almost every nikka in the league had a nice game, that doesn't make them good or consistent.


What's inconsistent is downing a guy for losing in the SB and then putting nikkas who have never made the SB or don't even have a playoff win over him. What's inconsistent is looking at all the factors that contribute to wins/losses/success for certain guys and then just looking at the bottom line with others. You quoted the wrong guy my man.

 

[True Weltch Media]

I don't understand why nikkaz are so disrespectful. As if Matt Ryan wasn't bad enough you're trying to tell me Jay fukking Cutler is better than prime Donovan?

I forgot about Matt Ryan , and no im not saying that Cutler is better than McNabb,

Im saying that when it's all said and done, that Cutler could eclipse McNabbs career. He gotta get that ring tho.

 

[True Weltch Media]

how this turn into a New England vs. Philly Brady vs. Mcnabb thread?

Theres no comparison.

Brady would have won rings with the Eagles no doubt


That Jim Johnson defense was

and he would of made them receivers better.

Brady to a prime T.O. would have been special to watch

 

[True Weltch Media]

How was Mcnabb "Never" Elite when only Brady and Manning won more games than him during his Era? He actually won more Playoff games than Manning during the 2000-2010 Decade. During the 2000-2004 seasons Mcnabb was clearly on of the best QB's in the NFL year in and year out. You don't make it to 5 NFC Title Games and not be Elite. There haven't been 5 QB's in NFL History that can say they played in 5 Conference title games. Those are historic numbers. As for the Big Ben, Eli Debate. Mcnabb doesn't have the rings but he has been to the Playoffs just as much and they are still behind him in overall wins though their careers are still going. Mcnabb has better passing and INT ratio than Eli and Ben. It's not outlashish to say he's better than Both just cause they won rings. Marino is better than both and he has no rings, Kelly is better than both he has no rings. Plus Mcnabb beat them both while he was playing especially Eli serveral times including in the Playoffs. The Fact is I'd only take about 4 or 5 QB's playing right now over Mcnabb in his Prime. Cause Prime Mcnabb made the Eagles relevant again.

A prime McNabb beating a developing Eli and Roethlisberger is not the same.

The point is that when you needed McNabb to make a play he is

where as Eli and Ben are when the game is on the line.

Both Ben and Eli have two of the greatest plays in Superbowl history. Gamewinning Superbowl winning drives. with incredible playoff records

Mcnabbs completion percentage is compared to Roethlisberger.

His Accuracy was trash. didn't throw alot of picks, but he used to miss his receivers by a mile frequently.

Ben has already been to 4 conference championships.

Give Eli 5 Conference title games, and he might have 4 maybe 5 rings.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

How was Mcnabb "Never" Elite when only Brady and Manning won more games than him during his Era? He actually won more Playoff games than Manning during the 2000-2010 Decade. During the 2000-2004 seasons Mcnabb was clearly on of the best QB's in the NFL year in and year out. You don't make it to 5 NFC Title Games and not be Elite. There haven't been 5 QB's in NFL History that can say they played in 5 Conference title games. Those are historic numbers. As for the Big Ben, Eli Debate. Mcnabb doesn't have the rings but he has been to the Playoffs just as much and they are still behind him in overall wins though their careers are still going. Mcnabb has better passing and INT ratio than Eli and Ben. It's not outlashish to say he's better than Both just cause they won rings. Marino is better than both and he has no rings, Kelly is better than both he has no rings. Plus Mcnabb beat them both while he was playing especially Eli serveral times including in the Playoffs. The Fact is I'd only take about 4 or 5 QB's playing right now over Mcnabb in his Prime. Cause Prime Mcnabb made the Eagles relevant again.

I still wouldn't call him elite, but you make some good points

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I forgot about Matt Ryan , and no im not saying that Cutler is better than McNabb,

Im saying that when it's all said and done, that Cutler could eclipse McNabbs career. He gotta get that ring tho.

When all is said and done fukking Alex Smith could eclipse McNabb's career. Would you take Alex Smith over McNabb?

 

[THE MACHINE]

at people having Cutler over McNabb....I'm getting old

 

[N.Y. State of Mind]

The more I read posts on this forum, the more I'm convinced that a lot of ya'll either don't really watch sports, don't understand them, or are incapable of making objective opinions.

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Tom Brady

These guys are the only quarterbacks that should be in the conversation to be taken over a prime McNabb. Some of the names I'm seeing in this thread are ridiculous.

Ryan
Schaub
Cam
Vick
Griffin



I'll never understand why McNabb gets so much hate on this forum. But nevertheless, he will and deserves to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. Anybody who doesn't agree with that is a damn fool.

 

[holidayinn21]

The problem with simple nikkas is that it is hard for them to understand concepts. Were there instances where Donovan's receivers played well? Yes. Otherwise they wouldnt' have been in the league. Did they do so consistently or on a level comparable to what some other top QBs WR corps have? No. I can point to instances where almost every nikka in the league had a nice game, that doesn't make them good or consistent.

you mean like david givens and eric decker?

 

[SpursFanSinceNovember2017]

Prime McNabb had ELITE defense + Andy Reid offensive system

 

[JLova]

Ryan's numbers are better and he only been the the playoffs 3 times, I don't even like Ryan but the choker with the better numbers > the choker with worse numbers.

And like I said, Ryan still has a chance for redemption and he doesn't look like he is slowing down anytime soon when it comes to stats.

You think a prime McNabb wouldn't beast with what Ryan has?

McNabb has had anything above mediocre receivers for 2 years out of his entire career and still turned that into 234 TD's and 117INT's and 6 pro bowls....and you have the audacity to call him a bum? Fedex, Todd Pinkston, Hank Baskett, Regge Brown, Greg Lewis, James Trash...This is what htis dude has had to work with for 90% of his career.

Hearing all this and then seeing the dude you cape for got me

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Please commit that.

 

[FTBS]

how this turn into a New England vs. Philly Brady vs. Mcnabb thread?

Theres no comparison.

Brady would have won rings with the Eagles no doubt


That Jim Johnson defense was

and he would of made them receivers better.

Brady to a prime T.O. would have been special to watch

The funny thing is that a Brady stan is the one who brought Brady into this. NOBODY was favorably comparing McNabb to Brady yet somehow the thread got hijacked and turned into a Brady vs. McNabb thread when once again NOBODY was saying McNabb was better. Brady would've been more accurate obviously however he would have had many of the same issues Donovan had in terms pressure, receivers not getting open or holding on to the ball, little to no run support, horrible play calls by Reid and he wouldnt' have had the athleticism or strength to make some of the plays that Donovan did under those circumstances. Brady's better but he doesn't have special power like some seem to believe.

you mean like david givens and eric decker?

Yup just like them. Don't forget Anthony Gonzalez or Reche Caldwell either.

 

[Stone]

Prime McNabb had ELITE defense + Andy Reid offensive system

Exactly, people are only looking at one side of the ball.

 

[JLova]

The more I read posts on this forum, the more I'm convinced that a lot of ya'll either don't really watch sports, don't understand them, or are incapable of making objective opinions.

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Tom Brady

These guys are the only quarterbacks that should be in the conversation to be taken over a prime McNabb. Some of the names I'm seeing in this thread are ridiculous.

Ryan
Schaub
Cam
Vick
Griffin



I'll never understand why McNabb gets so much hate on this forum. But nevertheless, he will and deserves to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. Anybody who doesn't agree with that is a damn fool.

I'll never understand it man. Even on I was defending this dude. Folk forget when McNabb was right in the conversation (slightly behind) Manning and Brady. Matt Ryan though? Matt Schaub?