That's my point, dude was implying that Cutler could eclipse McNabb if he won a Super Bowl. I meant that so could Smith, but they are not on his level. Career records/championships don't always tell the story is what I meant.
What Quarterbacks today would you take over A Prime Mcnabb?
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That's my point, dude was implying that Cutler could eclipse McNabb if he won a Super Bowl. I meant that so could Smith, but they are not on his level. Career records/championships don't always tell the story is what I meant.
Kurt Warner is getting in no doubt.
McNabb.....
He's always been borderline to me. That and there's quite a few QB's that will be going ahead of him for the HOF since 00'. Either their locks, or on the road to going to canton
Having an Elite Defense doesn't = a Superbowl
I've seen Elite Defenses my whole life that didn't win rings
90's Steelers- Neil Odonnel, Kordell Stewart
Early 00's Eagles-McNabb
Late 00's Ravens-Flacco
2011 49ers- Alex Smith
etc etc. all never won rings with elite defenses.
bottomline is you need a QB wit heart to make big clutch plays to win a superbowl. and the truth is McNabb came up short, everytime.
I hate when people bring up Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson they are exceptions to the rule.
GTFOH with this "made for TV bullshyt" Ben played like shyt in his first SB. Brady was pedestrian in his first one. Peyton's struggles during his SB run are well chronicled. The game is more QB centric now but throughout it's history winning SBs have been about defense and running the ball. It's a more exciting narrative to put it all on the QBs (only for the Ls I guess
) but the reality is there is way more to it than that. But hey you are entitled to think what you want. 
Im Sorry That Eagles D was 
while McNabb was
in big moments
the only knock on the Eagles D I had was in 08 when Fitzgerald went
on them, but then he went ham on the Steelers D that year too in the Superbowl.
The 2000 season: The Eagles lose in the divisional round to the New York Giants 20-10. McNabb set the bar high with a 181-yard game performance. He threw one touchdown and one interception, and had a killer rating of 59.1, in a very big game. Ouch Donovan.
The 2001 season: The Eagles lose in the NFC championship game, and barely, to the St. Louis Rams 29-24. Unfortunately McNabb's weak 171 yards and quarterback rating of 73.1 was not near enough to help his team win.
The 2002 season: The Eagles lose again in the NFC championship game to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27-10. McNabb's rating was a horrible 58.5, without a single touchdown and one interception. Unfortunately for him that one interception Ronde Barber returned 92 yards for a touchdown late in the fourth quarter. Ouch again Donovan.
The 2003 season: The Eagles lose in another NFC championship game to the Carolina Panthers 14-3. This was the ultimate high for Donovan, who racked up incredible numbers such as a quarterback rating of 19.3 (HA!), zero touchdowns, and three interceptions. I don't even know what to say about that.
The 2004 season: Finally, the Eagles make it to the promised land, but fall short against the New England Patriots 24-21. Terrell Owens played his heart out with a messed up foot. The defense played decent against a tough Tom Brady-led offense. But who was that quarterback who just couldn't get the job done?
Yes that's right, that's right—McNabb. He threw for 357 yards. Not too shabby, except for the fact that he threw threw interceptions, which cost them dearly.
McNabb had only thrown eight interception all season long, yet threw three in the biggest of all games. I'd say that's not quite stepping up to the plate. I'd even say that was sort of...choking, at a very big time, in a very big way, on a very grand scale.
Even when McNabb and the Eagles offense got the ball down 10 points with eight minutes to go, he could not manage to get his team in a hurry up, no huddle mode, and wasted about four minutes to move 49 yards, before throwing a 30-yard pass to Greg Lewis.
Even getting the ball back at his own four-yard line with 40 ticks on the clock, and being down only three points, he couldn't manage to move them anywhere. Final result, a Super Bowl meltdown.
And finally, the 2008 season: The Eagles lose again in yet another NFC championship game against the Cinderella story Arizona Cardinals 32-25. This was sadly one of McNabb's best playoff performances, at least in the second half that is. Even though his defense did not help him much, McNabb still only put six points up on the board at the halfway point.
while McNabb was in big momentsthe only knock on the Eagles D I had was in 08 when Fitzgerald went
on them, but then he went ham on the Steelers D that year too in the Superbowl.The 2000 season: The Eagles lose in the divisional round to the New York Giants 20-10. McNabb set the bar high with a 181-yard game performance. He threw one touchdown and one interception, and had a killer rating of 59.1, in a very big game. Ouch Donovan.
The 2001 season: The Eagles lose in the NFC championship game, and barely, to the St. Louis Rams 29-24. Unfortunately McNabb's weak 171 yards and quarterback rating of 73.1 was not near enough to help his team win.
The 2002 season: The Eagles lose again in the NFC championship game to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27-10. McNabb's rating was a horrible 58.5, without a single touchdown and one interception. Unfortunately for him that one interception Ronde Barber returned 92 yards for a touchdown late in the fourth quarter. Ouch again Donovan.
The 2003 season: The Eagles lose in another NFC championship game to the Carolina Panthers 14-3. This was the ultimate high for Donovan, who racked up incredible numbers such as a quarterback rating of 19.3 (HA!), zero touchdowns, and three interceptions. I don't even know what to say about that.
The 2004 season: Finally, the Eagles make it to the promised land, but fall short against the New England Patriots 24-21. Terrell Owens played his heart out with a messed up foot. The defense played decent against a tough Tom Brady-led offense. But who was that quarterback who just couldn't get the job done?
Yes that's right, that's right—McNabb. He threw for 357 yards. Not too shabby, except for the fact that he threw threw interceptions, which cost them dearly.
McNabb had only thrown eight interception all season long, yet threw three in the biggest of all games. I'd say that's not quite stepping up to the plate. I'd even say that was sort of...choking, at a very big time, in a very big way, on a very grand scale.
Even when McNabb and the Eagles offense got the ball down 10 points with eight minutes to go, he could not manage to get his team in a hurry up, no huddle mode, and wasted about four minutes to move 49 yards, before throwing a 30-yard pass to Greg Lewis.
Even getting the ball back at his own four-yard line with 40 ticks on the clock, and being down only three points, he couldn't manage to move them anywhere. Final result, a Super Bowl meltdown.
And finally, the 2008 season: The Eagles lose again in yet another NFC championship game against the Cinderella story Arizona Cardinals 32-25. This was sadly one of McNabb's best playoff performances, at least in the second half that is. Even though his defense did not help him much, McNabb still only put six points up on the board at the halfway point.
GTFOH with this "made for TV bullshyt" Ben played like shyt in his first SB. Brady was pedestrian in his first one. Peyton's struggles during his SB run are well chronicled. The game is more QB centric now but throughout it's history winning SBs have been about defense and running the ball. It's a more exciting narrative to put it all on the QBs (only for the Ls I guess
stop bringing up Ben and Brady who both have went on to play in and win other superbowls off there arm...stop...
and Peyton played well enough to win a Superbowl MVP that year.
He's not getting In period. .
Dude is just not a HOF.
I'm inclined to agree with you there, wouldn't be for the reason you stated before though.
Is there a limit to how many players can get in the hall of fame?
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
Donovan would've gotten a ring had T.O. not started acting like a hoe
Im Sorry That Eagles D was
the only knock on the Eagles D I had was in 08 when Fitzgerald went
The 2000 season: The Eagles lose in the divisional round to the New York Giants 20-10. McNabb set the bar high with a 181-yard game performance. He threw one touchdown and one interception, and had a killer rating of 59.1, in a very big game. Ouch Donovan.
The 2001 season: The Eagles lose in the NFC championship game, and barely, to the St. Louis Rams 29-24. Unfortunately McNabb's weak 171 yards and quarterback rating of 73.1 was not near enough to help his team win.
The 2002 season: The Eagles lose again in the NFC championship game to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27-10. McNabb's rating was a horrible 58.5, without a single touchdown and one interception. Unfortunately for him that one interception Ronde Barber returned 92 yards for a touchdown late in the fourth quarter. Ouch again Donovan.
The 2003 season: The Eagles lose in another NFC championship game to the Carolina Panthers 14-3. This was the ultimate high for Donovan, who racked up incredible numbers such as a quarterback rating of 19.3 (HA!), zero touchdowns, and three interceptions. I don't even know what to say about that.
The 2004 season: Finally, the Eagles make it to the promised land, but fall short against the New England Patriots 24-21. Terrell Owens played his heart out with a messed up foot. The defense played decent against a tough Tom Brady-led offense. But who was that quarterback who just couldn't get the job done?
Yes that's right, that's rightMcNabb. He threw for 357 yards. Not too shabby, except for the fact that he threw threw interceptions, which cost them dearly.
McNabb had only thrown eight interception all season long, yet threw three in the biggest of all games. I'd say that's not quite stepping up to the plate. I'd even say that was sort of...choking, at a very big time, in a very big way, on a very grand scale.
Even when McNabb and the Eagles offense got the ball down 10 points with eight minutes to go, he could not manage to get his team in a hurry up, no huddle mode, and wasted about four minutes to move 49 yards, before throwing a 30-yard pass to Greg Lewis.
Even getting the ball back at his own four-yard line with 40 ticks on the clock, and being down only three points, he couldn't manage to move them anywhere. Final result, a Super Bowl meltdown.
And finally, the 2008 season: The Eagles lose again in yet another NFC championship game against the Cinderella story Arizona Cardinals 32-25. This was sadly one of McNabb's best playoff performances, at least in the second half that is. Even though his defense did not help him much, McNabb still only put six points up on the board at the halfway point.
Let's see here. 01 the elite defense gave up 29 pts to the same Rams Offense the Pats held to 17 (aka a score the Eagles would've beaten) 2 weeks late. Donovan sucked in 02 and did indeed choke. 03 I watched there was really nothing he could do, that was just a thorough beatdown of the offense by Carolina. 04 That Pats D had it's way with elite QBs, Donovan's performances was just as good as what Manning, McNair, Gannon, Warner managed against that same D. 21 pts should be enough to win if you have an elite D. Oh and Andy said fukk the run and his best WR was on one leg. 08 The kicker missed a fukkin extra point. Elite D gave up 25 pts and final play of the game was a drop on 4th and 10.
I am a realist I recognize that football is all about all 3 phases getting it done. It's more to it than how clutch QB is. Too many moving parts involved. Things never broke right for Donovan in terms of winning a SB and in some instances he didn't do himself any favors. He was a beast at his peak though.
stop bringing up Ben and Brady who both have went on to play in and win other superbowls off there arm...stop...
and Peyton played well enough to win a Superbowl MVP that year.
As long as you are consistent with this I am good. So from you it's all about the QB perspective what has happened with Brady the last 7 years? Has he choked? Has he not made enough plays?
And what does their great games after the fact have to do with the fact that the first go round these nikkas were all pedestrian at best?
Brady can never be defined as a choker because he's made it over that hump
but has he choked over the last ten years of course, it happens to all qb's at some point.
but the great ones, are the one's who overcome their deficiencies and make the plays when it matters most, putting there teams on there back and winning that Superbowl.
Brady can never be defined as a choker because he's made it over that hump
but has he choked over the last ten years of course, it happens to all qb's at some point.
but the great ones, are the one's who overcome their deficiencies and make the plays when it matters most, putting there teams on there back and winning that Superbowl.
How many times have you seen Rudy?
And i agree QB's tend to get too much credit but thats what the league is all about.
QB superstardom always been like that
the elite QB's
Montana 4 Rings, Brady 3, Elway 2, Aikmen, Peyton Manning 1, Drew Brees 1, Eli Manning 2, Big Ben 2, etc etc.
QB superstardom always been like that
the elite QB's
Montana 4 Rings, Brady 3, Elway 2, Aikmen, Peyton Manning 1, Drew Brees 1, Eli Manning 2, Big Ben 2, etc etc.