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LeBron plays the most stacked and versatile position of all time
MJ plays one of the weakest positions of All-Time of course his ranks are going to be higher relative to position it's typical Jordan stan propaganda.
What is the exact PROOF that Lebron is a better "all-round" player than Jordan? Stats say otherwise
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MJ plays one of the weakest positions of All-Time of course his ranks are going to be higher relative to position it's typical Jordan stan propaganda.
viktordoomsecretwars
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I think what it portrays is Jordan is far more dominant in his position than Lebron is in his. Kobe is one of the 10 players of all time and the 2nd best SG overall but his level pales in comparison to Jordan.
Lebron on the other hand hasn't statistically seperated himself from Durant. This thing about Lebron's teams having a very good H2H before Durant joined the Warriors is amusing because its the same thing some deluded Bird fans try to use to "prove" he was as good or better than Jordan. Its a terrible talking point to begin with. Especially when the 1st 8-10 encounters came when Lebron had the better team and he used that oppurtinity to drastically improve his record against KD. When KD clearly had the better team, it wasn't even competitive any longer between the 2.
viktordoomsecretwars
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First off, it's completely wrong. LBJ is first all-time among SF scoring, MJ is only 2nd among SG. I'm betting the rest of those numbers are wrong too.
Actually, they are correct. Its from basketball reference and these are per game stats not total stats , dumbo.
Oh, so now it's "delusion" believing MJ is comfortably a better player than Bron?
Okay
bron fans turned it up these last couple of pages
murksiderock
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"LeBron hasn't separated from Durant"....we're done here lol...
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MJ never played in an era against Kobe's and Durant's he never had to deal with them problems
Believe the gap between Bird's Celtics and MJ's Bulls are comparable to the small to non-existent gap between LeBron's Heat/Cavs and KD's Thunder, brehs
Compare LeBron's Heat and their advantage over the Thunder to KD joining a 73-9 team and their advantage over the Cavs, brehs
Dummy did you even watch the LeBron and KD matchups pre-GS? I swear to god you don't even actually watch basketball
viktordoomsecretwars
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(I'll repost this for all Bron Bron fanboys to watch)
Jordan had zero weaknesses in his game. Lebron has 5 .
(1) He's an average free throw shooter. 74 FT% is what you expect from a center, not an elite perimeter player. You can't trust him on the line in the playoffs.
(2) Lebron can't play off the ball. Without the ball in his hands, he's nowhere near as dominant. That is why he struggles to fit into a system. He becomes the system. And when he leaves, his teams' crumble because they build the roster to suit his strengths. He's like a parasite.
(3) Lebron is a terrible mid-range shooter. He's averaged over his career roughly 35% from midrange (i.e 10 feet to 3 point line). He's had multiple Finals series in his career where the opposition begged him to shoot. 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013. Just to name a few. He also shot like crap in 2015.
(4) Lebron created the uncompetitive culture of superteams when he joined Miami to win 2 of his 3 championships, teaming up with a top 3 player in the world, and another top 10 player in the world to create what he believed to be a team ready to win 6 or 7 championships. He only won 2 of them in 4 years.
In 2011, he got humiliated, averaging good role player numbers and getting beat by a team with 1 all star (he mocked during the finals) and two midgets.
In 2014, the Spurs blew him out , setting various Finals records for an ass-beating that still stand today.
Then he's lost his last 2 finals (2017 and 2018) after another superstar gave him a taste of his own medicine by creating his own superteam.
Maybe Lebron is not as good as his fans believe?
Jordan had zero weaknesses in his game. Lebron has 5 .
(1) He's an average free throw shooter. 74 FT% is what you expect from a center, not an elite perimeter player. You can't trust him on the line in the playoffs.
(2) Lebron can't play off the ball. Without the ball in his hands, he's nowhere near as dominant. That is why he struggles to fit into a system. He becomes the system. And when he leaves, his teams' crumble because they build the roster to suit his strengths. He's like a parasite.
(3) Lebron is a terrible mid-range shooter. He's averaged over his career roughly 35% from midrange (i.e 10 feet to 3 point line). He's had multiple Finals series in his career where the opposition begged him to shoot. 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013. Just to name a few. He also shot like crap in 2015.
(4) Lebron created the uncompetitive culture of superteams when he joined Miami to win 2 of his 3 championships, teaming up with a top 3 player in the world, and another top 10 player in the world to create what he believed to be a team ready to win 6 or 7 championships. He only won 2 of them in 4 years.
In 2011, he got humiliated, averaging good role player numbers and getting beat by a team with 1 all star (he mocked during the finals) and two midgets.
In 2014, the Spurs blew him out , setting various Finals records for an ass-beating that still stand today.
Then he's lost his last 2 finals (2017 and 2018) after another superstar gave him a taste of his own medicine by creating his own superteam.
Maybe Lebron is not as good as his fans believe?
Durant and Russ were BOTH older in 2011 than LeBron was in 2007. Westbrook was an All-Star and 2nd-team All-NBA while KD was leading the league in scoring for the 2nd straight year, 1st-team All-NBA for the 2nd straight year, and had been #2 in MVP voting the year before. Harden was about to turn 22 and Perkins, Thabo, and Ibaka were all entering their late 20s. The year before when they actually were babies, they came just one shot away from pushing the eventual champ Lakers to 7. They were a young team but they were ready to make a push, they made the WCF that year for a reason.
viktordoomsecretwars
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I said statistically. And no, stastically , he has not seperated himself from Durant. Durant is statistically one of the most impressive players ever.
I'm talking per game stats.
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He's not god you dikk sucker
viktordoomsecretwars
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Well according to this, he's clearly a more dominant player in the position he plays than Lebron. It's tough to do cross x position basic stats analysis:
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This is a guy who literally said a few hours ago that 80's Jordan had more skill in his left toe than fukking 2009 DWYANE WADE
He thinks dude is really God like he’s infinitely ahead of every one else that came after him literally
These mothafukkas need to be medicated straight up and the sad thing is this dude wasn't even of age to have seen Jordan play in the 80's in real time
He thinks dude is really God like he’s infinitely ahead of every one else that came after him literally
These mothafukkas need to be medicated straight up and the sad thing is this dude wasn't even of age to have seen Jordan play in the 80's in real time
Exactly. And it's even worse than that.LeBron plays the most stacked and versatile position of all time
MJ plays one of the weakest positions of All-Time of course his ranks are going to be higher relative to position it's typical Jordan stan propaganda.
Call me a "dumbo" when you labeled the entire table wrong, dumbass.
And per-game stats are just as stupid. LeBron the league at 18, Elgin Baylor entered it at 23, of COURSE their career averages are gonna be different when Baylor was a complete player and full grown man the second he stepped onto the court. MJ's stats would all be lower if he had a couple years of teenage ball to factor in, just like Kobe's stats are lower.
Not to mention that comparing per-game rebounds and shyt in different eras without any qualification at all is just stupid. Baylor averaged 20 rebounds/game in 1961, you think that means he was a better rebounder than Rodman, Hakeem, Barkley, and Duncan? Kevin Porter averaged almost 14 assists/game in 1979, so now he's a better passer than Kidd, Nash, and CP3?
Your chart was idiotic on so many levels.
1. Didn't even compare them to the same players
2. Ignored that SG was a historically weaker position in the NBA for most of its history.
3. Ignored players coming into the league at different ages
4. Ignored stats looking wildly different in different eras.
People can do really dumb shyt with stats if they don't have a clue. You tried to do them ALL at the same time.