What is the exact PROOF that Lebron is a better "all-round" player than Jordan? Stats say otherwise

[murksiderock]

Skip was the only dude who caped hard for Jordan that I saw & he covered the bulls for the Chicago tribune in 97-98. I honestly Don’t watch none of them anymore , so I wouldn’t know

but dude buggin thinking that media narrative only applied to mike. The biggest sports network out is 24-7 now and be doing the same for lebron

these cats on tv all day 5-6 days a week and got Twitter or the gram AND podcasts. There’s way more media today

Did I say media narratives only applied to Mike, or did I say let's stop pretending they apply to everyone except Mike?

Your point about more media today is irrelevant, as while there were fewer platforms 25 years ago, Mike and his boosters (Nike, NBA, Gatorade, Hanes, etc) were more easily able to monopolize popular opinion thru persuasion; more platforms today only means its harder for one player to control his own narrative...

 

[ISO]

Skip was the only dude who caped hard for Jordan that I saw & he covered the bulls for the Chicago tribune in 97-98. I honestly Don’t watch none of them anymore , so I wouldn’t know

but dude buggin thinking that media narrative only applied to mike. The biggest sports network out is 24-7 now and be doing the same for lebron

To me LeBron has always been a widely scrutinized player from both ends of the spectrum. For as much love and praise as he gets there’s a lot of hate and criticism since day one. And he’s got the whole social media thing too.

Skip Bayless has made millions and gained fame off being a LeBron hater. The other guys at ESPN like Stephen A., Wilbon, Kornheiser are neutral they will get on LeBron if needed and praise him if needed.

Nick Wright, the LeBron stan that people on here talk about got his show in 2017 he’s a new creation. LeBron’s increased positive press has come after his 2016 championship and increased presence in social issues. For a large portion of his career LeBron has gotten a lot of hate and negative press, it was a point in time where the regular casual fan hated him.

 

[god shamgod]

Did I say media narratives only applied to Mike, or did I say let's stop pretending they apply to everyone except Mike?

Your point about more media today is irrelevant, as while there were fewer platforms 25 years ago, Mike and his boosters (Nike, NBA, Gatorade, Hanes, etc) were more easily able to monopolize popular opinion thru persuasion; more platforms today only means its harder for one player to control his own narrative...

It’s also easier

athletes control their narratives more than ever now with social media

Along with espn,bleacher report Pushing lebron and his stats etc etc their is a bigger media push for Lebron than Jordan ever had. you have no point

 

[god shamgod]

To me LeBron has always been a widely scrutinized player from both ends of the spectrum. For as much love and praise as he gets there’s a lot of hate and criticism since day one. And he’s got the whole social media thing too.

Skip Bayless has made millions and gained fame off being a LeBron hater. The other guys at ESPN like Stephen A., Wilbon, Kornheiser are neutral they will get on LeBron if needed and praise him if needed.

Nick Wright, the LeBron stan that people on here talk about got his show in 2017 he’s a new creation. LeBron’s increased positive press has come after his 2016 championship and increased presence in social issues. For a large portion of his career LeBron has gotten a lot of hate and negative press, it was a point in time where the regular casual fan hated him.

I disagree , he definitely got hate after the decision and lightweight when the cavs flopped in ‘09 & ‘10.before that lebron had mostly positive media coverage he was hyped from day one,had the same Nike marketing push as mj and was praised for the ‘07 finals run

when he was a free agent it was the daily topic when he went back to Cleveland espn aired that shyt ALL day literally all day

 

[gtj1982]

I expected multiple championships and they delivered but it didn't come without challenges. That doesn't mean that Miami was lightyears ahead of OKC they weren't.



Especially to the point that KD could only muster up 4 regular season win against LeBron from 2008 to 2016.

It's not revisionist shyt, what's revisionist is to act like Kevin Durant didn't have a squad and an opportunity to win a championship in 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016. And the only thing that stopped them in 2013 and 2015 was injures to KD and Russell. Oklahoma City was one of the best teams in basketball outside of the last Seattle year and first Oklahoma City years (where they were young), KD has never played with a poor supporting cast. OKC was easily one of the best and most popular teams in his time there.

So by that standard Lebron never had to leave cleveland right? His teams had even better records, had deep playoff runs and even made it to the finals.

 

[ISO]

So by that standard Lebron never had to leave cleveland right? His teams had even better records, had deep playoff runs and even made it to the finals.

Did LeBron have a Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka?

LeBron averaged 38/9/9 in the ‘09 ECF and lost the series. Don’t compare. OKC was still a playoff team without Durant. Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double and won MVP without him. Cleveland instantly became the worst team in basketball after LeBron left.

As a free agent it’s a players right to switch teams and go where ever they are happy.

Nobody cares about KD leaving it’s the fact he joined a 73-9 team that he was up 3-1 on.

He joined a team that had already won a title by far the best team in the game. He joined a rival. It’s that reason why it’s considered a weak and scrutinized move.

 

[god shamgod]

Homeboy tried to say Jordan controls the media narrative like lebron don’t have a tv show on hbo ran by his production company where they edit content. Lebron gets to control the narrative more than any star ever he also has former teammates on multiple networks dikkriding

you need more people doggie

 

[ISO]

I disagree , he definitely got hate after the decision and lightweight when the cavs flopped in ‘09 & ‘10.before that lebron had mostly positive media coverage he was hyped from day one,had the same Nike marketing push as mj and was praised for the ‘07 finals run

when he was a free agent it was the daily topic when he went back to Cleveland espn aired that shyt ALL day literally all day

I remember him getting criticized for passing to a wide open Donyell Marshall on PTI in 2006 or 2007. I remember casual fans rooting for his eliminations in those series against the Magic and Celtics. Skip was hating before the Decision. “fukk Bron Bron” was already a thing.

Of course he had hype the point is there’s two sides love and hate. In LeBron’s era the 24 hour news cycle shifted to debate style and hot takes and anti-intellectualism in sports discourse and social media and Internet forums added to the fire.

U can’t talk about guys like Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe (two new media guys) without talking about Skip Bayless and Jason Whitlock. LeBron got the most over analyzed career everything he do is magnified.

 

[fifth column]

The only problem with the statement you gave is the bolded, because it wrongfully, voluntarily insinuates that a media push, controlled narrative, and Stan delusion didn't exist to force-feed Michael Jordan as most people's GOAT...

It never ceases to amaze me that this forum excludes Michael Jordan when talking about controlled narrative, media push, and Stan delusion...

And this isn't to say that Mike on his own merits wasn't worthy of being in the discussion; obviously he is, but let's stop pretending his ascent into it, in popular opinion, didn't receive the biggest of controlled narratives any American athlete has ever had. Let's stop pretending there wasn't massive help in shaping the minds of basketball viewers...

When the guy comes along who will pass Mike in popular opinion, it will most likely be with time---->Mike retired for good 17 years ago and too many people are controlling the media who are his age and/or grew up on him. When those people phase out to the millenials to control the narratives, the narrative on Mike will likely turn Russell-esque, in that people will admire and respect his greatness, but it will get to a point where he played so long prior, that even "older" people didn't see him play in his heyday, so you'd have to somewhat separate him the way people kind of do Russell...

Already, most people under 35 today didn't see Mike before the last 3peat. Many of our parents (people Mike's age in the 55-65 age range) are still alive, still running these media productions, and still talking about Mike, and the people "in between", the 36-54 year olds, all grew up under Mike and Jordan Propaganda and have an affinity and vested interest to protect his legacy. Those older people will die out at some point the same way the people who saw Bill are mostly gone (and anybody still alive who saw Bill is at minimum 70 years old today, and 70+ year olds are mostly long retired from these media pushes and gave way 15-25 years ago to people of Mike's age to control the narrative)....

The 6-for-6 narrative will phase out even sooner, it's already begun to die. We've had some great, great, players since Jordan's '98 retirement, and not only could none of them reach 6 championships period, none of them could go more than 4 wins without losing (Duncan)...it's a different NBA, both now and the last 20 years as a whole. Nobody is going 6/6 ever again, the climate is just not set up to allow for it, we all know the reasons why and we can tap dance around it on here, but we all know why. Not going 6/6 doesn't diminish any player's legacy, with Mike the convo will turn into being in a very unique position to accomplish that feat, a unique situation that can never be replicated...

We may see a superstar win 6 again, but those guys will be rare; since Russell only Mike and Cap won that many rings. The same way we'll never see a guy win 11 like Bill again, ain't nobody going 6/6 again and we 'may' see a superstar win 6 total. The fact that most people won't will not diminish the greatness of legit superstars...

Its a different NBA. When more people are allowed/start to admit this, is when the narrative on Mike will be buried...

MJ is the goat because of the impossible things that he did on the court. The combination of skill, athleticism, grace, mental toughness, leadership, marketability and maniac competitiveness has not yet been rivaled. Face facts breh, MJ closed when his team got to the big game. There will come a rare player that eclipse MJ but it ain’t Lebron as great as he is.

 

[fifth column]

This is LeBron’s defense on KD in the 2012 Finals. I know the Jordan stans won’t even bother to watch it though.

Let’s just say Michael never got to defend an elite shooter and triple threat scorer full of youth and athleticism with this type of size like a young KD at any point in his career. The best guy he guarded his main positional rival Clyde Drexler is nowhere near KD from a ball skill perspective. A far worse ball handler and shooter.

A lot of people look at KD’s raw numbers and come to the conclusion that LeBron got worked. LeBron played excellent ball denial defense and post defense on KD, refused to help off him in dribble penetrations, and played his passing lanes well. KD had a much easier time against Battier (only missed 2 shots all series on him) and Wade. KD shot 13 of 30 (43%) overall on LeBron in isolations.

LeBron’s on-ball defense was critical down the stretch too since games 2, 3, 4 were decided by buckets.

LeBron also spent the last 6 minutes of game 3 guarding Russell Westbrook (Wade asked to switch to Thabo) and at times he was on Ibaka.

The question is who the fukk did Michael Jordan guard? LeBron went through the playoffs guarding Melo, Paul George, Pierce, Durant not to mention all the switches and alternate assignments on West, Garnett, Westbrook, Ibaka, etc. in 2012.

So what happen to Bron’s D in 2017 and 2018 against KD?

 

[fifth column]

Homeboy tried to say Jordan controls the media narrative like lebron don’t have a tv show on hbo ran by his production company where they edit content. Lebron gets to control the narrative more than any star ever he also has former teammates on multiple networks dikkriding

you need more people doggie

Homeboy tried to say Jordan controls the media narrative like lebron don’t have a tv show on hbo ran by his production company where they edit content. Lebron gets to control the narrative more than any star ever he also has former teammates on multiple networks dikkriding

you need more people doggie

if Bron was greater on his own merit than MJ then all this talking in circles wouldn’t be necessary. Tom Brady surpassed Joe Montana as the goat QB by doing greater things and people accepted it for what it is. I’m not a Brady fan and came to terms with it like many others. in the case of Bron, the ship sailed.

 

[ISO]

So what happen to Bron’s D in 2017 and 2018 against KD?

My post is about 2012 when he was in his defensive prime and both teams were evenly matched.

KD is generally unstoppable on a team like GS you have no shot.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Of course, this cracka @viktordoomsecretwars has made a similar thread in the past. Y'all MJ stans don't know shyt about hoops -- or even care about it for that matter. Y'all ain't fooling anyone else but yourselves.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Look at what we have here:



He posted this shyt on Reddit, and then copied and pasted the exact same bullshyt here. I wonder how many msgboards he's gone around posting this propaganda.

 

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