"Weights make you big calisthenics make you strong "- kali muscle

[Son Goku]

We can't speculate on what Coli posters do and Swagnificient is one of the last cats to listen to but if a breh is serious about pullups he has to build up to a certain amount of pullups before thinking of adding plates.

Those men who can't work with 225 also aren't doing loads of calisthenics either to compliment their weightlifting either so using that as one or the other doesn't really work. Once a regular sized calisthenics dude gets his form down 225 wouldn't be hard.

I'm not on either "side" for your best body one needs both, ie brehs coming out of prison on point from doing both.

I think we're in agreement.

Either way, may the gains forever be in your favor.

 

[The ADD]

Unless they have been progressively overloading their bench press... no absolutely not.

If you want to get better at bench press... you bench press. You could do 300 pushups a day for a month and your bench may not move more than 3%

By the way, this is true for the guy repping 175lbs on bench constantly. If you want to increase your max anything... you progressively overload. This is how you become stronger. Its not a secret, its not rocket science. You must overload to reach higher heights

Your muscle endurance will be amazing though

Well said

 

[Son Goku]

Deep Squats do fukk yo shyt up in the long run

fukk saying deep squats, I just want nikkas to start breaking 90.

 

[Son Goku]

Coli gym threads.

 

[Shadow King]

Unless they have been progressively overloading their bench press... no absolutely not.

If you want to get better at bench press... you bench press. You could do 300 pushups a day for a month and your bench may not move more than 3%

By the way, this is true for the guy repping 175lbs on bench constantly. If you want to increase your max anything... you progressively overload. This is how you become stronger. Its not a secret, its not rocket science. You must overload to reach higher heights

Your muscle endurance will be amazing though

300 is not 1000 (which was a crazy number anyway), but if your muscle endurance is that high I'm having a hard time believing that cannot translate to a higher number for 4% of the reps you were already doing. You're talking about raising a number I'm talking about them translating already. You think someone that size with that muscular endurance is repping his weight or less on a bench?

 

[NatiboyB]

Deep Squats do fukk yo shyt up in the long run

I’m not sure a deep squat is a proper squat. I think it’s an over exaggeration of the move. Same as the ass to grass squats.

 

[CHICAGO]

(which is why people who can bench more than their bodyweight with perfect form often can't do 20 proper push ups)

THIS DOESNT EXIST.



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[The ADD]

300 is not 1000 (which was a crazy number anyway), but if your muscle endurance is that high I'm having a hard time believing that cannot translate to a higher number for 4% of the reps you were already doing. You're talking about raising a number I'm talking about them translating already. You think someone that size with that muscular endurance is repping his weight or less on a bench?

“Strength” isn’t just muscle size and endurance. I think to @Gold point you do have to do the actually movement especially when you start talking about being certain percentages over body weight and definitely for reps.

Just real world most people knocking out 300 reps a day are highly likely to be doing them at a rapid pace. Just the mechanics of bench press at percentages over body weight aren’t the same as a push-up. All of the weight is over your upper body with gravity 100% against you in the eccentric and concentric.

 

[Son Goku]

“Strength” isn’t just muscle size and endurance. I think to @Gold point you do have to do the actually movement especially when you start talking about being certain percentages over body and definitely for reps.

Just real world most people knocking out 300 reps a day are highly likely so be doing them at a rapid pace. Just the mechanics of bench press at percentages over body weight are the same as a push-up. All of the weight is over your upper body with gravity 100% against you in the eccentric and concentric.

It be a whole buncha brehs that can hit 67 "push-ups" on an AF PT test but can't hit 225 for a paused single.

 

[Bledswole]

I’m not sure a deep squat is a proper squat. I think it’s an over exaggeration of the move. Same as the ass to grass squats.

Well I take what I said back I think ass to grass is entirely too deep

 

[Shadow King]

“Strength” isn’t just muscle size and endurance. I think to @Gold point you do have to do the actually movement especially when you start talking about being certain percentages over body and definitely for reps.

Just real world most people knocking out 300 reps a day are highly likely so be doing them at a rapid pace. Just the mechanics of bench press at percentages over body weight are the same as a push-up. All of the weight is over your upper body with gravity 100% against you in the eccentric and concentric.

The movements and supporting muscles are different or left alone and to keep going up in weight you have to do the movement but it's hard to see someone struggling with that weight. 225/175 is 1.29.

So if you saw someone put a 35 on each side and ate for 40 reps, what would you assume his actual workout is? And would you assume that workout poundage wouldn't translate to his work rate with pushups at all?

 

[The ADD]

It be a whole buncha brehs that can hit 67 "push-ups" on an AF PT test but can't hit 225 for a paused single.

Let’s be reality, form on push-ups and pull-ups is so subjective it’s not worth getting invested in. I don't individually doubt what people claim they can do but I’ve been in gyms enough to know rep quality is often sketchy.

 

[The ADD]

The movements and supporting muscles are different or left alone and to keep going up in weight you have to do the movement but it's hard to see someone struggling with that weight. 225/175 is 1.29.

So if you saw someone put a 35 on each side and ate for 40 reps, what would you assume his actual workout is? And would you assume that workout poundage wouldn't translate to his work rate with pushups at all?

I mean to some degree it depends. Are we talking someone that never does barbell work and just hops on a bench or do they have some experience in barbells?

On the second one I couldn’t say because some people master lower weight and reps but haven’t built the mind/muscle/neural connection to go 30% over body weight.

 

[Shadow King]

I mean to some degree it depends. Are we talking someone that never does barbell work and just hops on a bench or do they have some experience in barbells?

On the second one I couldn’t say because some people master lower weight and reps but haven’t built the mind/muscle/neural connection to go 30% over body weight.

Maybe someone who has experience but hasn't done it for a while. I was never assuming they just jump on a bench and kill it I meant within a couple of weeks of reacclimating.

 

[The ADD]

Maybe someone who has experience but hasn't done it for a while. I was never assuming they just jump on a bench and kill it I meant within a couple of weeks of reacclimating.

I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Talking broadly about this thread which has been replicated 10 times but there is this weird disconnect/misunderstanding of how muscle size, endurance and strength translate to weight lifting. You can have great aesthetics and not be terribly “strong”. In fairness someone may not care and want to looked ripped.