How do you counter cac’s argument that Gulliani cleaned up the city?
I knew Brooklyn was different when I visited in 94. I was on an elevator with my cousin and his two friends in their building and his friends just said let’s fight eachother in here. No provocation or disrespect before he stated that, in fact we were chatting about the road rash videogame. That caught me off guard.
That level of aggression will get you killed in the south
You just tell the facts, crime was falling in NYC before Giuliani with Mayor Dinkins, and it was falling all over America, Guliani just took the credit. Police loved him because he allowed the police to call us monkeys, and throw water melon, at there rally. I seen it myself, and said fukk him after that. NY is a police state, so they love Guliani. That's where the praise come from, and stupid nikkas who don't readHow do you counter cac’s argument that Gulliani cleaned up the city?
No doubt!Not to bump into the ADOS/West Indian conflict history, its the nature of BK that kept it violent and the reputation of the area as well as the glorofication of violence/toughness in America, that kept the area like that. Even middle class, 2 parent black families that owned houses are shamed because it is "soft" to grow up with a level head and not engage in crime. On top of people preaching against real black power/black positivity, and you just have endless waves of conflict that people trying to culturize.
No doubt!
People forget Brooklyn was known for crime, and murder, with the white boys too!
Brownsville was home to Murder inc
Even in Canarsie you had Roy Demeo who was killing everything with his italian crew in their Canarsie club house. People forget Canarsie, and flatlands was mostly white until the 90s
No doubt!
People forget Brooklyn was known for crime, and murder, with the white boys too!
Brownsville was home to Murder inc
Even in Canarsie you had Roy Demeo who was killing everything with his italian crew in their Canarsie club house. People forget Canarsie, and flatlands was mostly white until the 90s
Damn, you taking it back. What part was the gang from?MY ADOS family is DEEP in Brooklyn. Been there at least a 100 years. Some of my fam back in the day were in old school AA gangs in Brooklyn called the Noble Dukes way back in the 1940s-50s. They were shootin shyt up back then, but they wore more suits LoL
West Indian degeneracy has been acknowledged from the beginning to the end of this thread. I never assumed the pathologies discussed in here were strictly ADOS related or influenced. Maybe some of the gangs like the bloods and Crips in Brooklyn have been alluded ADOS, simply because those gangs were started by ADOS in Los Angeles. The Haitians in Flatbush are crippin heavy. West Indians can be wild.So, have we established that bk got the most superlatively violent nikkas? If so, I'd like to just discuss WHO they are.
Being from Harlem in the bad old days, old folks used to say that Brooklyn was on some next level shyt bc it was full of 'wild west Indians' (that was the phrase used, not just me talking).
So why is this the one thread where bk nikkas not repping they island folks?
And why are people tryna make this about "black" (commonly understood to mean "ados") pathology? (See below)
Most times y'all act like ados ain't even here. Having relocated to Brooklyn myself, i can see why: 3.5/ 5 ppl from the islands. Ados are rare here, esp compared to where im from, only a few families on my whole block.
Just some questions.
Explain not allowedI think the theory is this: Not until the 80s-90s did Brooklyn get its current reputation. Oddly enough, that's when the non ados arrived and the violence became... superlative.
As background, there's been a black community in bk since the 1600s when the Dutch ran the city. A lot of ados from the south ended up here after moving out of Harlem. During those times, the violence was just 'regular'. Ofc, when the more violent ppl showed up, ados would have naturally adjusted so as not to be food.
Im asking though, bc i just moved here right before the corona and didn't get a chance to learn the hoods. (The reason i don't already know them is bc i wasnt even allowed out here growing up.)
@ bold, does that not prove the theory?
It seems most street violence is intra-ethnic though. No matter the city. Italians were waring with each other amongst the 5 families. I’m sure in Brooklyn it was ADOS killing ADOS and West Indians killing West Indians. Proximity is a huge part of who becomes a victim of violent crime.Funny cuz, prior to my post, everybody in here was being unusually vague about the demographics when normally, they're very precise. Only one person mentioned Haitians.
You don't think millions of new people can change local culture? The Italian mob certainly changed the cultures of neighborhoods they settled upon arrival.
That's true, but in Brooklyn we lived next to each other, so it wasnt as simple as thatIt seems most street violence is intra-ethnic though. No matter the city. Italians were waring with each other amongst the 5 families. I’m sure in Brooklyn it was ADOS killing ADOS and West Indians killing West Indians. Proximity is a huge part of who becomes a victim of violent crime.
Damn, you taking it back. What part was the gang from?
I know Brooklyn had them white boy gangs that looked like John Travolta in "grease". I'm laughing now, but them nikkas was no joke. They even had a movie on it called "lords of flatbush"
I mean, some of these islands in the Caribbean have high crime and poverty rates on their own. Are these kids in Brooklyn Americanized or was their style of violence that was something that was already in their culture? It’s kinda like the Haitians down in Miami. When ppl claim that Zoe Pound was founded as a deterent to African American bullying, and that America turned them out. But in the end, Zoe Pound was going to war with other Haitians and the machete style of violence seems uniquely Caribbean and foreign. That wasn’t anything they learned from America. That’s just infra cultural degeneracy and violence.That's true, but in Brooklyn we lived next to each other, so it wasnt as simple as that
Now, you could make that claim cause a lot of ADOS left to go down south, but to me these little nikkas are more American then Caribbean, but that is another argument