you have no proof of this.
Was Slavery and the Oppression of Blacks revenge for The Moors?
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you have no proof of this.
Exactly
The Dutch, British and French were not in the slave trade to get revenge against people they had little interaction with
In your world I may have no proof, but in the real world its evident. Take a look at some of the portraits, writings,literature, and other geneologies.The geneologies are good because some moors where described to come from the Middle East. And others were described to have come from the Arabia.
It has nothing to do with being white washed.
The Moors were described as people who came from a lot of places, West Africa and North Africa were one of them , but so was Turkey,Palestine, Syria,and where ever else.
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With all that said, if I were to use the Moorish occupation as a possible link to the Atalntic Slave Trade, it would not be complete without talking about what happened with the Moors following their occupation of Europe.
The Moors did not simply disappear from history once expelled from Europe. Far from it. The Moors were not only skilled in the arts, education and architecture. They were also skilled at sea.
The Moors became what many would now call "pirates." They controlled the sea between Europe and North Africa mostly associated with Jibraltar for years following their expelling from Europe. So much so, that the battles between Europe and the Moors became naval in tone. The Moors and Europeans would battle for positioning constantly.
But with this battle came casualties. What may have infuraited European powers that be at the time even more than the 700 plus year occupation was the fact that Moors took European slaves.
The Europeans would be taken and made to work in the ship's galleys-rowing the ships under the watchful eye and whip of a Moorish driver. Also, the Europeans would be made to work on land building structures for the Moors as well helping in the market place.
Now, Moors were also taken as slaves by the European sailors, however it seems a lesser number than taken by the Moors. Also, the enslaved Moors had a better chance of being freed by Moorish sailors at some point due to the control the Moors held over the Gilbraltar.
This is encapsulated in a well-written book by Gerald Massey titled "The Moors After Spain."
So, with the occupation and the taking of European slaves off the coasts of Europe and Africa, I can't say it is tied to the Atlantic Slave Trade. But I doubt Europeans forgot about it.
Peace
The Moors did not simply disappear from history once expelled from Europe. Far from it. The Moors were not only skilled in the arts, education and architecture. They were also skilled at sea.
The Moors became what many would now call "pirates." They controlled the sea between Europe and North Africa mostly associated with Jibraltar for years following their expelling from Europe. So much so, that the battles between Europe and the Moors became naval in tone. The Moors and Europeans would battle for positioning constantly.
But with this battle came casualties. What may have infuraited European powers that be at the time even more than the 700 plus year occupation was the fact that Moors took European slaves.
The Europeans would be taken and made to work in the ship's galleys-rowing the ships under the watchful eye and whip of a Moorish driver. Also, the Europeans would be made to work on land building structures for the Moors as well helping in the market place.
Now, Moors were also taken as slaves by the European sailors, however it seems a lesser number than taken by the Moors. Also, the enslaved Moors had a better chance of being freed by Moorish sailors at some point due to the control the Moors held over the Gilbraltar.
This is encapsulated in a well-written book by Gerald Massey titled "The Moors After Spain."
So, with the occupation and the taking of European slaves off the coasts of Europe and Africa, I can't say it is tied to the Atlantic Slave Trade. But I doubt Europeans forgot about it.
Peace
You were specifically talking about North Africans being heavily admixed pre-Moorish rule
Pull up the receipts.
Receipts nikka we shopping at the Swap Meet or something?
My nikka, read history yourself...its in Roman literature ,take a look at some of the monuments and statues of the time period. Roman annals all describes people barbarians like Vandals coming into north Africa and massacring the local population. Research back to when even since Roman times many Mediterranean people from Europe and the Middle East moved into North Africa.
Name an ancient african kingdom that didn't have black slaves breahh.... I'll wait.
But we love to shyt on some our greatest black kinddoms just because they had Islamic practices. shyt .... if a slave said "ummm yeah Imma a muslim too" then he was freed.
all this tells me is they were the only ones with a path to freeedom for slaves, however trival.
Receipts nikka we shopping at the Swap Meet or something?
My nikka, read history yourself...its in Roman literature ,take a look at some of the monuments and statues of the time period. Roman annals all describes people barbarians like Vandals coming into north Africa and massacring the local population. Research back to when even since Roman times many Mediterranean people from Europe and the Middle East moved into North Africa.
The Vandals and Romans did not "massacre" the Berbers...they displaced some and subjugated others.
You can't show me a MASS migration into North Africa. Even the Yemeni Arabs who converted the Berbers to Muslims were expelled.
My ancestors
Abu Bakr ibn Umar ibn Ibrahim ibn Turgut, sometimes suffixed al-Sanhaji or al-Lamtuni [1] (died 1087; Arabic: أبو بكر بن عمر) was a chieftain of the Lamtuna Berbers of the western Sahara, and commander of the Almoravids from 1056 until his death.
Abu Bakr ibn Umar was a member of the Banu Turgut, a clan of the Lamtuna Berbers of the western Sahara. His brother, Yahya ibn Umar al-Lamtuni was the chieftain of the Lamtuna who invited the Maliki teacher Abdallah ibn Yasin, and together launched theAlmoravid (murabitūn) movement in the early 1050s.
Abu Bakr returned to the Sahara desert to command the southern wing of the Almoravids. He launched a new set of campaigns against the dominions of the Ghana Empire in 1076 and is often credited with initiating the spread of Islam on the southern periphery of the Sahara. His campaigns are said to have gone as far as Mali andGao.
Abu Bakr ibn Umar died in 1087, and his dominions were partitioned among his sons and nephews (the sons of Yahya) after his death.
Mauritanian oral tradition claims Abu Bakr was killed in a clash with the "Gangara" (Soninke Wangara of the Tagant Region of southern Mauritania), relating that he was struck down by an arrow from an old, blind Gangara chieftain in the pass of Khma (between the Tagant and Assab mountains, en route to Ghana).[2][3] According toWolof oral tradition, a Serer bowman named Amar Godomat killed him with his bow near lake Rzik (just north of the Senegal) (Godomat's name apparently originates with this death).[4] It goes on to note that Abu Bakr left a pregnant Fula wife, Fâtimata Sal, who gave birth to a son, the legendary Amadou Boubakar ibn Omar, better known as Ndiadiane Ndiaye, who went on to found the Wolof kingdom of Waalo in the lower Senegal river.[5]
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Mali Empire. Are you kidding me right now?
Name an ancient african kingdom that didn't have black slaves breahh.... I'll wait.
But we love to shyt on some our greatest black kinddoms just because they had Islamic practices. shyt .... if a slave said "ummm yeah Imma a muslim too" then he was freed.
all this tells me is they were the only ones with a path to freeedom for slaves, however trival.
Timbaktu it was the forth most lucrative business after gold, salt, and ivory.
They massacared a whole of them. they didn't kill them off but they killed a whole bunch. The rest of the survivors they interbred with. Take a look at America and see that with European arrival in 200 years changed the whole racial make up of the New World.
My more enlightened brehs....help me out here
The two European countries to kick off the Transatlantic Slave Trade....Spain and Portugal. This started around the late 1400s/early 1500s. The Moors, who controlled Spain, Portugal, Southern France and Southern Italy, were kicked out finally in 1492The Moors dominated European society for 800 years (711-1492). They brought culture, civilization, arts, science, medicine. Before their arrival, kings in Europe were sleeping in farmhouses. Smallfolk threw their sewage out on the street, had no idea what a bath was. The Moors changed all that. They also killed thousands of white men and made the women slaves
Is there a connection here brehs?The slave trade starts somewhere between 1440-1502, the same period that The Moors began losing power/influence until they were eventually expelled completely. If some nikka and his crew was swag surfing on me for 800 years, fukking my hoes and treating me like a scrub, I might want to get some getback too
I'm not gonna get into who the original Arabs Were.
Or what Europe was doing pre- moor.
Or the fact that all slavery was financial. Biggest motivator was/is always money.
I'm just gonna point out - The reason....... those groups did slavery IN THE WAY they did is was because of the Moors and other groups and fears.
They would have done slavery n anyway - Every group on Earth does that shyt.
They MADE IT A MISSION to destroy, history, libraries, art, statues, languages, cultures, even some of their own history - because they didn't simply need servants like other pre Translantic slave traders - THEY needed mindless drones without history. The CACS feared AND respected black people, muslims, anyone who was responsible for putting them up on everything. Everything that made Europe great was from these people - --- So the Way they did slavery was to discount that history and those cultures so that their slavery could be effective in building up the new world.
They didn't want to keep the slave knowledgeable of themselves because the world knew what happened in Iran Iraq with the Zanj Rebellion to happen.
Some of the former Muslim groups would spark shyt off in the New world....... certain AFrican groups remained unbrainwashed regardless of what happened - So traders eventually wouldn't even take slaves from certain areas.
Still waiting on any evidence of this.
Abu Bakr ibn Umar ibn Ibrahim ibn Turgut, sometimes suffixed al-Sanhaji or al-Lamtuni [1] (died 1087; Arabic: أبو بكر بن عمر) was a chieftain of the Lamtuna Berbers of the western Sahara, and commander of the Almoravids from 1056 until his death.
Abu Bakr ibn Umar was a member of the Banu Turgut, a clan of the Lamtuna Berbers of the western Sahara. His brother, Yahya ibn Umar al-Lamtuni was the chieftain of the Lamtuna who invited the Maliki teacher Abdallah ibn Yasin, and together launched theAlmoravid (murabitūn) movement in the early 1050s.
Abu Bakr returned to the Sahara desert to command the southern wing of the Almoravids. He launched a new set of campaigns against the dominions of the Ghana Empire in 1076 and is often credited with initiating the spread of Islam on the southern periphery of the Sahara. His campaigns are said to have gone as far as Mali andGao.
Abu Bakr ibn Umar died in 1087, and his dominions were partitioned among his sons and nephews (the sons of Yahya) after his death.
Mauritanian oral tradition claims Abu Bakr was killed in a clash with the "Gangara" (Soninke Wangara of the Tagant Region of southern Mauritania), relating that he was struck down by an arrow from an old, blind Gangara chieftain in the pass of Khma (between the Tagant and Assab mountains, en route to Ghana).[2][3] According toWolof oral tradition, a Serer bowman named Amar Godomat killed him with his bow near lake Rzik (just north of the Senegal) (Godomat's name apparently originates with this death).[4] It goes on to note that Abu Bakr left a pregnant Fula wife, Fâtimata Sal, who gave birth to a son, the legendary Amadou Boubakar ibn Omar, better known as Ndiadiane Ndiaye, who went on to found the Wolof kingdom of Waalo in the lower Senegal river.[5]
Goddamn our history is interesting.