Was Slavery and the Oppression of Blacks revenge for The Moors?

[Poitier]

The term was originally used for Mauritanians in the Roman Province of Mauritania ,they were black african at the time. Later on during roman and Vandal periods, the black people in the land were breeded out and vanquished. .

@KidStranglehold

 

[J-Nice]

The term was originally used for Mauritanians in the Roman Province of Mauritania ,they were black african at the time. Later on during roman and Vandal periods, the black people in the land were breeded out and vanquished. .

The term MOOR is not exclusively used for African people. It was an ambiguous terms that even described some Middle Easterners who were muslim.Europeans called many people dark skin, even today some people still consider Moroccans and North Africans Dark Skin.

Just take a look at the dictionary definition.

Oh boy! Like I said before, the term was originally applied to describe African people until the Islamic era in christian Europe and it was still used to describe African people but it also became a varied term to describe other peoples who were apart of the Islamic World. But it never stopped being used to describe black people.It was used as a means to identify Africans throughout the medieval era. Like I said before, the term has changed over the years and isn't applied the same way it used to be which is why I gave a modern definition of it.

The Song of Roland

Their martyrdom, his men's, Marsile has seen,
So he bids sound his horns and his buccines;
1630 Then canters forth with all his great army.
Canters before a Sarrazin, Abisme,
More felon none was in that company;
Cankered with guile and every felony,
He fears not God, the Son of Saint Mary;
1635 Black is that man as molten pitch that seethes;
Better he loves murder and treachery
Than to have all the gold of Galicie;
Never has man beheld him sport for glee;
Yet vassalage he's shown, and great folly,
1640 So is he dear to th' felon king Marsile;
Dragon he bears, to which his tribe rally.
That Archbishop could never love him, he;
Seeing him there, to strike he's very keen,
Within himself he says all quietly:
1645 "This Sarrazin great heretick meseems,
Rather I'ld die, than not slay him clean,
Neer did I love coward nor cowardice."


Orkneyinga saga

Moors vs Vikings

Once both parties were on board there was fierce fighting,the people on the Dromond being Saracens,whom we called infdels of Mohammed, among them a good many black men,who put up a strong resistance.

Earling,honored aimer of spears,eagerly advanced toward the vassel in victory,with banners of blood;the black worriors,brave lads we captured or killed,crimsoning our blades,busey with this Dromond business our blades we bloodied on the blacks.

“Grieve not at this, poor wretch, and with thine own hand give thy wife the potion whatever is be for did she choose to bear her leaping children in her womb thou wouldst, perchance, become the sire of an Ethiop, a blackamoor would soon be your sole heir.”

- Juvenal, Satire VI, lines 596 – 600

“One of them, with wooly hair, like a Moor, seems to be the son of Santra, the cook. The second, with a flat nose and thick lips, is the image of Pannicus, the wrestler . . . of the two daughters, one is black . . . and belongs to Crotus, the flute player.”

- Martial, VI, 39.

“When tired of each noblest matron, (Gildo) hands her over to the Moors. These Sidonian mothers, married in Carthage City, must needs be mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian son-in-law. This hideous hybrid affects the cradle.”
Claudian.

Who vanquished the Moors in North Africa? They are still there with their culture in tact.

 

[Sensei]

You're downplaying how many africans and half breeds arabs had in their ranks at that time in history and a few, isnt honest. So i guess im saying you're either lying or you dont know what you're talking about

I hope you know that Arabs had a lot of other people besides blacks in their ranks.Slavs,Turks, Caucasians,Iraqis,Iranians,and other people where in their ranks. But many tribes straight from Arabia made their way to Al Andulusia period of Spain.You guys don't even realize what you are doing is taking credit for stupid shyt that doesn't even matter,taking credit for shyt in Europe that really is of no use to me.

 

[Sensei]

Oh boy! Like I said before, the term was originally applied to describe African people until the Islamic era in christian Europe and it was still used to describe African people but it also became a varied term to describe other peoples who were apart of the Islamic World. But it never stopped being used to describe black people.It was used as a means to identify Africans throughout the medieval era. Like I said before, the term has changed over the years and isn't applied the same way it used to be which is why I gave a modern definition of it.

The Song of Roland

Their martyrdom, his men's, Marsile has seen,
So he bids sound his horns and his buccines;
1630 Then canters forth with all his great army.
Canters before a Sarrazin, Abisme,
More felon none was in that company;
Cankered with guile and every felony,
He fears not God, the Son of Saint Mary;
1635 Black is that man as molten pitch that seethes;
Better he loves murder and treachery
Than to have all the gold of Galicie;
Never has man beheld him sport for glee;
Yet vassalage he's shown, and great folly,
1640 So is he dear to th' felon king Marsile;
Dragon he bears, to which his tribe rally.
That Archbishop could never love him, he;
Seeing him there, to strike he's very keen,
Within himself he says all quietly:
1645 "This Sarrazin great heretick meseems,
Rather I'ld die, than not slay him clean,
Neer did I love coward nor cowardice."


Orkneyinga saga

Moors vs Vikings

Once both parties were on board there was fierce fighting,the people on the Dromond being Saracens,whom we called infdels of Mohammed, among them a good many black men,who put up a strong resistance.

Earling,honored aimer of spears,eagerly advanced toward the vassel in victory,with banners of blood;the black worriors,brave lads we captured or killed,crimsoning our blades,busey with this Dromond business our blades we bloodied on the blacks.

“Grieve not at this, poor wretch, and with thine own hand give thy wife the potion whatever is be for did she choose to bear her leaping children in her womb thou wouldst, perchance, become the sire of an Ethiop, a blackamoor would soon be your sole heir.”

- Juvenal, Satire VI, lines 596 – 600

“One of them, with wooly hair, like a Moor, seems to be the son of Santra, the cook. The second, with a flat nose and thick lips, is the image of Pannicus, the wrestler . . . of the two daughters, one is black . . . and belongs to Crotus, the flute player.”

- Martial, VI, 39.

“When tired of each noblest matron, (Gildo) hands her over to the Moors. These Sidonian mothers, married in Carthage City, must needs be mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian son-in-law. This hideous hybrid affects the cradle.”
Claudian.

Who vanquished the Moors in North Africa? They are still there with their culture in tact.

I am aware of all the literature many people use to justify all Moors were black, but fact is not all of them were. Like I said Europeans called Arabs black at the time because they are darker.

The term black doesn't even describe a race let alone an ethnicity. Perfect example is today in Russia where Turks ,Central Asians,and Armenians are considered black.

 

[Deluuxe]

The term was originally used for Mauritanians in the Roman Province of Mauritania ,they were black african at the time. Later on during roman and Vandal periods, the black people in the land were breeded out and vanquished. .

The term MOOR is not exclusively used for African people. It was an ambiguous terms that even described some Middle Easterners who were muslim.Europeans called many people dark skin, even today some people still consider Moroccans and North Africans Dark Skin.

Just take a look at the dictionary definition.

 

[J-Nice]

I am aware of all the literature many people use to justify all Moors were black, but fact is not all of them were. Like I said Europeans called Arabs black at the time because they are darker.

The term black doesn't even describe a race let alone an ethnicity. Perfect example is today in Russia where Turks ,Central Asians,and Armenians are considered black.

Where in my posts did I say "ALL" Moors were black? In my first post in this thread, I broke it down by periods and showed how the definition changed over time. But the term itself was primarily used to describe African people. Don't move the goal posts. I am well aware, the term "black" has nothing to do with ethnicity. In the context of this discussion it is being used simply as a description. It's not a justification. it's simply a fact. Much in the same way the Romans called Africans Moors to describe the color of the Africans they came in contact with, is the same way the ancient Greeks used the term "Ethiopian". The term itself was even used during The medieval and Renaissance eras to literally describe black people. Sounds like you have a personal problem

@KidStranglehold @Poitier Yall can handle this. I gotta get some sleep.

 

[bouncy]

@Sensei This is the dna of people in North Africa TODAY. You really think there were less sub-saharan Africans in the land where the moroccons claimed back then when that was the land of blacks before any major conquering occurred? Wake the fukk up


http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/morocco-and-north-african-mitochondrial-dna-study

North African Sub-Saharan Eurasian
Souss 6% 26% 68%
NC Morocccan Berber 8.3% 3.3% 88.4%
Moroccan Arab 6.5% 21.9% 71.8%
Mozabite 31.8% 11.8% 56.4%
Saharawi 8% 44% 48%
Mauritanian 20% 43.3% 36.7
Tuareg 7.7% 84% 7.7%
Egyptian 1.5% 30.9% 67.6%
Nubian 0% 40.5% 59.5%

 

[Mowgli]

I hope you know that Arabs had a lot of other people besides blacks in their ranks.Slavs,Turks, Caucasians,Iraqis,Iranians,and other people where in their ranks. But many tribes straight from Arabia made their way to Al Andulusia period of Spain.You guys don't even realize what you are doing is taking credit for stupid shyt that doesn't even matter,taking credit for shyt in Europe that really is of no use to me.

Taking credit? We're talking about history. Please just stop,

How many books have you read on this topic and if you read 1 what was the name.

 

[fscballin]

The Almoravids are just one part of the Moors. There were the Almohads.,Almoravids, Abbassids,and Ommayads who took control of Spain. But many of the Almoravids were from North Africa who had already been stamped out with Roman ,Turkish and white Berber descendants. Not to mention the Ommyads were a group of people that stretched from modern day Morocco,Algeria, Tunisia, Palestine ,Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula. The Ummayads were universal dynasty who beleved that Umar and the descendants should be the Caliphate


A few would mean not more than most in the post. Children of concubines does not signify legitimate lineage to the fathers and of an ethnic groups. Concubines also came from Turkey .Albania and all over.

Arabs had alot of slaves from all over I don't get your point, Slave were even people of Eastern European descent, henceforth the name Slavs.The fact that they imported slaves into North Africa even tells you the disconnect these Arabs had with the local African people,which had the blackness breded out of them by this time.




Find me one black person who calls themselves a Negro or Colored. Of course they don't call themselves Moor but the fact is Europeans called themselves that. Besides Moors only rulled parts of Spain,Italy,and Greece. So people need to get out of this Moor Propaganda.

Moor means black

 

[fscballin]

THE MASONS KNOW IT...BUT "THEY" REFUSE TO SHOW IT - CHUCK D.


yes and those SAVAGES from Europe were still unappreciative when we took "them" out of the caves of Europe and gave them "light" in the form of 33 degrees

In fact all the appellate SHRINE bodies of freemasonry are a reminder of the historic legacy of the Moors presence throughout Europe...

i.e (order of alahambra...the grotto....m.o.v.p.e.r)

William Harper Bennett founded the Order of Alhambra on February 29, 1904, in Brooklyn, New York as a Catholic fraternal and social association. It was named after the Alhambra, a Moorish palace in Granada, Spain; where the Moors surrendered to Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492, after occupying Spain for almost 800 years. Within sight of the Alhambra’s red towers the saintly Columbus received the first favorable reply to his lifelong prayers for assistance to embark on his voyage of discovery. The Order, in addition to adopting the name of the Moorish palace, uses the colorful Oriental costuming and settings. The emblem of the Order is the red tower of Castile surmounting the crescent of the Saracen typifying the triumph of Christianity over the Moors. The Fez worn by members of the Order has this emblem as its prominent centerpiece.

y'all were manipulated by an nonblack arab religion/god

 

[fscballin]

I mean the shyt is all over the place. Cacs enslaved their own people and sold them off to whoever wanted them and this included black people in north africa indians and arabs. Cacs were captured as slaves during their battles into the african continent and arabian penninsula's. Arabs in their flight out of the desert captured cacs, kept them as slaves and sold them off. White slavery largely ended in the 12th century so before that the real question is, when were they not enslaved.

it wasn't our people who owned them


if the arabs did deals with african nations, thats on them, but the jews in africa faced their own persecution from the arabs africans and eventually europeans

 

[Sensei]

See now you went and tried to pull the term blackamoor which is opening another can of worms. Lets just stick with the term Moor.And the name is used to describe muslims in Europe who weren't always black Africcan .FACTS.Even if you can't swallow it.

Where in my posts did I say "ALL" Moors were black? In my first post in this thread, I broke it down by periods and showed how the definition changed over time. But the term itself was primarily used to describe African people. Don't move the goal posts. I am well aware, the term "black" has nothing to do with ethnicity. In the context of this discussion it is being used simply as a description. It's not a justification. it's simply a fact. Much in the same way the Romans called Africans Moors to describe the color of the Africans they came in contact with, is the same way the ancient Greeks used the term "Ethiopian". The term itself was even used during The medieval and Renaissance eras to literally describe black people. Sounds like you have a personal problem

@KidStranglehold @Poitier Yall can handle this. I gotta get some sleep.

nikka you tryna use some stupid ass wordplay, you tried to parlay as if Moor is synonymous with black African. You didn't break nothing down nada. We not talking about the term Ethiopian, because obviously Middle Age Europeans didn't use the term to describe blacks in Africa like Greeks did. You need to do your research instead of looking at some garbage as psuedo-historians who come with same ole tired ass Moors black. Yea right black Empire in Europe but what about the ones in Africa. This what you guys call histrory.

Taking credit? We're talking about history. Please just stop,

How many books have you read on this topic and if you read 1 what was the name.

Haha seems like you wasted your time reading some dumb pseudo history .I feel sorry for you,there were some blacks in Europe, but to sit here and say blacks went and built an empire in Europe is ridiculous. You can say all of this because it sounds good, but this is the exact reason I don't fukk with this fake conscious history shyt its full of lies.

 

[Mowgli]

See now you went and tried to pull the term blackamoor which is opening another can of worms. Lets just stick with the term Moor.And the name is used to describe muslims in Europe who weren't always black Africcan .FACTS.Even if you can't swallow it.








nikka you tryna use some stupid ass wordplay, you tried to parlay as if Moor is synonymous with black African. You didn't break nothing down nada. We not talking about the term Ethiopian, because obviously Middle Age Europeans didn't use the term to describe blacks in Africa like Greeks did. You need to do your research instead of looking at some garbage as psuedo-historians who come with same ole tired ass Moors black. Yea right black Empire in Europe but what about the ones in Africa. This what you guys call histrory.


Haha seems like you wasted your time reading some dumb pseudo history .I feel sorry for you,there were some blacks in Europe, but to sit here and say blacks went and built an empire in Europe is ridiculous. You can say all of this because it sounds good, but this is the exact reason I don't fukk with this fake conscious history shyt its full of lies.

Bruh just tell me the name of what YOU read so I can read it. You're playing games now.

 

[JamilALAmin]

I'm lost. Is that @Sensei guy a Cac or just a self righteous c00n?

 

[Sensei]

Moor means black

Moor doesn't mean black. There was a time when it did, but as time went on the name meant all kind of terms.There are hella pictures on the net that show the moors fair skinned and tan skinned. as somewere depicted black ,

heres your black ones now