Was Slavery and the Oppression of Blacks revenge for The Moors?

[fscballin]

Apparently everyone in ancient Ghana, Mali, Niger, Sudan Senegal, mauritania , etc




were c00ns at one point or another

no they were African nations selling another nation of blacks who had invaded their area..it was a black on black war

 

[Couth]

fukk eerrybody. I'm in my own zone.


Moors were arabs weren't they?

Cacs are mad our ancestors booted their mutated albino ancestors from africa. Their fault for being mutants doe. We were just tryna postpone the inevitable. Now we gotta begin eradication.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Moors were arabs weren't they?

No. The Moors and Arabs were clearly differentiated by Europeans. The Arabs were called something else. I forgot.

The Moors were mostly Berbers along with some Western Sudanese.

 

[fscballin]

fukk eerrybody. I'm in my own zone.


Moors were arabs weren't they?

Cacs are mad our ancestors booted their mutated albino ancestors from africa. Their fault for being mutants doe. We were just tryna postpone the inevitable. Now we gotta begin eradication.

moors were mainly black people who once were jews supposedly converted to islam, the ones who were secretly still practicing the religion of the jews were called marranos

 

[fscballin]

The Moors were mostly Berbers

false

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Don't do it Breah.


You'll offend the ancestors of 85% of this site who like to call everyone c00ns

Me being part Haitian descent most likely has ancestry from Dahomey. Or my ancestors could have been Benin war prisoners captured by the Dahomey Amazonians?

Since the two had a big war.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

false

No.

PS: Stop derailing this thread with your Israelite nonsense.

 

[IVS]

What is this dude talking about the Moors were Jews, (I know you really mean Israelites), but where did that come from? And where is your proof or some more of evidence supporting your claim?

 

[Versa]

I think OP was low-key trying to ignite this debate with the intentions of forcing the connecting of dots to make it seem like our four centuries in this country is karma.

I don't see how someone who just the other week whined about us being "too militant and pro black" suddenly has genuine interest in black history.

That's just me though. Interesting discussion. I think they needed slaves and just rolled up into Africa and got some. Doubt it was on some *birdman hand rub* "NOW WE SHALL HAVE OUR REVENGE" shyt. Not seeing the correlation.

 

[IVS]

The thing is though: The Islamists didnt just show up and invade "Spain" (no such thing as Spain existed at the time). They were invited in as allies to fight a war. Many historians write that Count Julian invited the Moors into "Spain" to help him fight against Roderick, who the count alleged had raped his daughter. And you will find that nobles, and the Jews (Sephardiim) - who were expelled from Spain - helped him procure the aid of the Muslims via Amir Musa.

It's funny because as soon as the group the muslims had defeated previously regained control of Spain, they expelled the Jews again.

 

[Mowgli]

You have it backwards, the Africans and Arabs betrayed the Jews once they entered into Africa after the expulsion from Judea in 70 AD. They were betrayed and warred against, sold into Arab and African slavery, and then in the 1500s they were sold into the hands of the europeans who brought us to the Americas.

This is the map of the slave coast aka the Kingdom of Juda or the kingdom of whydah

I'm talking before that.

Hebrews came into africa from western asia in the 1700s bc. At that time they were escaping famine, needing shelter and were welcomed by africans. I dont even think they were technically hebrews when they got to africa but by the time they got the boot they were....

Invaders touched down in the 1600s from Western asia. Being familiar with these people the Hebrews worked with them against africans transferring the dynasty of egypt to western asians.

It took centuries for the africans to get them out of there which ultimately led to the greatest african dynasties with amenhotep and pals giving them relative peace.

I believe the africans that taught these groups how to be Hebrews and the people who got booted out were two different people phenotypically but as time went on they all got lumped together.

 

[Sensei]

Most people forget that the Moors themselves were enslaved by the Europeans after they were conquered. So how could they "help" Europeans in enslaving Africans. The Europeans that first found out lower West Africa were the Portuguese after they wanted to migrate more into the interior from coastal North Africa via sailing. When they did and wanted to raid for slaves, they were WHOOPED the Mali Empire(which was PASSED its prime) who WOULD NOT allow slave rading from foreigners whether it be Europeans, Moors, Arabs,etc.

This is why its ridiculous to think Moors took "black slaves" in large number. They the Moors and Arabs were under the thumb of these Sahelian kingdoms.

The Moors selling black slaves in large volume is a myth that just wont go away on here and I have debunked it many times.

The Region of North Africa wasn't even conquered by Europeans until 18th Century around the time Napolean invaded Egypt and other areas.

The Mali did not clash with the Portuguese Empire nor did any Berber Kingdom or any Arab-Berber kingdom of North Africa.

There were a great many slaves transported into Africa ever since the Roman times, people forgot when places get colonized there is massive migration from the colonizers countries and territories. This was the case with Roman provinces in North Africa.

The slave economy was big in all places in Africa thats including Moors, although slavery was different from that of Chattel European slavery ,it was very much widespread in West Africa. Empires like the Ghanaian Empire were definitely selling slaves towards Vandals and other people this is how some black slaves ended up in ancient Roman Gladiator Games. TransSaharan Trade biggest trade commodities were salt,gold,and slaves.

You guys may not be aware that many Arabs and Semitic Middle Easterners came into North Africa during the time periods of Islamic caliphates. Wars like Char Bouba didn't involve European powers or anything of the sort.

Here's a good post I made in that Tyga thread:

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/10856839/

Again it is retarded to think the Moors were enslaving Western Sudanese in large numbers when:
1. Western Sudanese were apart of the Moors.
2 The Berbers(Moors) and Arabs were under the thumb of Western Sudanese people. Those kingdoms would have not tolerated slave raids near there home.
3. It would have been EXPENSIVE to export slaves from Western Sudan crossing into the desert.
4. The slaves the Moors mostly imported were European slave women. Modern day Northwest African DNA agrees with this; Berbers Y-DNA is mainly African E-M81(slave master) while theri MtdDNA is diverse with the bulk of it being European ancestry(slaves).
5. Western Sudanic kingdoms like Ghana, Mali, and Songhai never DEPENDED on slavery. Most of the exports were Gold, salt and ivory.

Where does this stupid myth of the Moors enslaving large volumes of African slaves even come from? Just curious.

1)Western Sudanese and North Africans both were called Moors by Europeans at time but they are definitely not the same.
2)if the Western Sudanese were part of the Berber realm how was Western Sudanic kingdom not conquered.
3)But slaves were exported in the Transaharan trade. You had slaves of all kinds Berber slaves came into the Sahel , and West Africans made their way to North Africa.
4)E-M81 does not correspond to a Arabic origin neither a European origin, its completely indigenous to North Africa.
5)Not true slavery was big in West African kingdoms. I think it was only Ghana who possessed the abundance in Gold not the Malu and Songhai empire.

No. The Moors and Arabs were clearly differentiated by Europeans. The Arabs were called something else. I forgot.

The Moors were mostly Berbers along with some Western Sudanese.

Oh really what were Moors called by Europeans then? The Europeans did not make the distinction between Arabs and Moors.

 

[Sensei]

I'm talking before that.

Hebrews came into africa from western asia in the 1700s bc. At that time they were escaping famine, needing shelter and were welcomed by africans. I dont even think they were technically hebrews when they got to africa but by the time they got the boot they were....

Invaders touched down in the 1600s from Western asia. Being familiar with these people the Hebrews worked with them against africans transferring the dynasty of egypt to western asians.

It took centuries for the africans to get them out of there which ultimately led to the greatest african dynasties with imenhotep and pals giving them relative peace.

I believe the africans that taught these groups how to be Hebrews and the people who got booted out were two different people phenotypically but as time went on they all got lumped together.

Imhotep was from the priestly class and was affluent in the 4th Dynasty during 2700 BC to 2600.Way before 1700s BC.

Hebrews are believed to be called the Haibru who were Shepard Nomads who the Egyptians knew of, since they always bordered them. Some of them were used as mercenaries and used to labor on some farms. But they are believed to have been in the period of 17th Dynasty or maybe even the 19th Dynasty.

The whole Hebrew and Isarlite stuff is bogus any way, because history doesn't agree with the Bible in any kind of events that occurred in the course of time,

 

[J-Nice]

[QUOTE="Sensei, post: 10855338, member: 15417"
nikka you tryna use some stupid ass wordplay, you tried to parlay as if Moor is synonymous with black African. You didn't break nothing down nada. We not talking about the term Ethiopian, because obviously Middle Age Europeans didn't use the term to describe blacks in Africa like Greeks did. You need to do your research instead of looking at some garbage as psuedo-historians who come with same ole tired ass Moors black. Yea right black Empire in Europe but what about the ones in Africa. This what you guys call histrory.
.[/QUOTE]

nikka, you are regurgitating what I already fukking said in the beginning and you have yet to bring anything of substance to the table besides your bytchy attitude. It doesn't matter how you feel, or if you agree. The facts are simply facts.

 

[Mowgli]

Imhotep was from the priestly class and was affluent in the 4th Dynasty during 2700 BC to 2600.Way before 1700s BC.

Hebrews are believed to be called the Haibru who were Shepard Nomads who the Egyptians knew of, since they always bordered them. Some of them were used as mercenaries and used to labor on some farms. But they are believed to have been in the period of 17th Dynasty or maybe even the 19th Dynasty.

I meant amenhotep