Was Slavery and the Oppression of Blacks revenge for The Moors?

[Blackking]

I asked you to show me where shaka held slaves, you are failing to do so, im not reading all that other shyt.

show me where other africans, non-muslims, from the southern states, held slaves. Ill wait.

I know a lot about my peoples history, from the bakongo kingdom, hutus, zulus, etc. and us congolese, rwandans, angolans, nambians, zambians, didnt have slaves. those were exclusive to you c00n as muslims. show me where we did it.

Well, you know that West Africans and East African non muslims had slaves.

You failed and made false statements about AFrican Muslims and Slaves... and was called out.

You want to ignore the worst c00ning in history just to say --- "Well ummmm did they have slaves"




Well , I'll feed you breh

1) They invented child soldiers...... even Shaka had 6 year olds murking people n shyt

2) His invading armies and the fallout of that and famine - caused the largest trade pockets in the history of South Africa.... there is even the Mfecane theories

3) .... Sure there was white involvement in causing the death, starvation and mass slavery -------- but Zulu was working with them so it's not all their fault

4) You say only Muslims......... Why ignore central and south african slavery. Slavery in African pre-dated Muhammad and Islam so what is your point - other than " I hate Muslims and black Muslims are c00ns, " lol

5) Slavey.
.... Do you understand slavery?
IT is based on economy. It's based on need. The coastal and trading land had more slaves - not because of religions, culture, whatever whatever --- it's based on the need usually.


so nikka.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Well, you know that West Africans and East African non muslims had slaves.

You failed and made false statements about AFrican Muslims and Slaves... and was called out.

actually no. no one has called me out or proven me wrong. show me where west, central and south africans had slaves. why is this so hard to do, this is now my third time asking you. dont write me a page, post a receipt.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

From the 1640s, four inland states near the Gulf of Guinea were growing in wealth and power from the slave trade. The kingdom of Oyo, around 300 kilometers (190 miles) inland, was the most successful of these kingdoms. It benefited from terrain sufficiently unforested and free of the tsetse fly and other disease carrying insects to allow for the breeding of horses. The Oyo kingdom used cavalry effectively in expanding southward where savanna split coastal forest. Oyo forced the coastal kingdom of Allada to pay it tribute, and it gained direct access to trade with Europeans. Oyo was a slave state, and its king used slave labor on his vast farmlands. In wars, Oyo took more slaves than it needed for the royal farms, and it traded them to the Europeans for guns, cloth, metal goods and cowry shells. It traded also with Africans to its north for horses and for more captives for the slave trade. And the kingdom acquired wealth by taxing trade that crossed its territory to and from Hausaland.

Another power in the region was the kingdom of Abomey, which was founded in the early 1600s by the brother of the king of Allada, a coastal kingdom that had grown wealthy from the slave trade. The brother, Do-Aklin, cut off village chiefs from having any say in selecting his successor. Rule in Abomey passed to his grandson, Wegbaja, who consolidated his power – while both Allada and Abomey were paying tribute to the more powerful kingdom of Oyo. In Abomey human sacrifices were used to honor the king's ancestors – the sacrifices usually captives from warfare.

West of Abomey were the Ashanti (Asanti), who were dominated by the Denkera to their southwest, to whom the Ashanti paid tribute. The primary political unit among the Ashanti had been the village, governed by clan elders. In the 1660s, an Ashanti warrior named Osei Tutu grouped clan chiefs around him and formed an alliance with the leading Ashanti religious figure, Anokye. They created a golden stool, representing power and spiritual unity, on which the ruler of the Ashanti was to sit, and they sanctified the golden stool with sacrifices.

Osei Tutu and Anokye extended their power across Ashanti chiefdoms, unifying the Ashanti. And with the power that accrued from this unity, the Ashanti defeated the Denkera and absorbed some of their subject states. These victories gave the Ashanti contact with the Europeans, to whom they sold slaves. And the Ashanti began an expansion inland for more slaves and for gold.

Meanwhile, Oyo cavalry invaded the Abomey four times, but Abomey retained enough power to expand against Allada on the coast. The king of Abomey, Agaja, was interested in buying arms from the Europeans. Conquering Allada in the 1720s gave him access to European trading. The enlarged rule of Agaja became known as Dahomey, and it began to prosper from the sale of slaves to the Europeans.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h28af3-4.htm

Three non-Muslim states which economy was solely based upon slavery.

Meanwhile a "Muslin" state like Mali economy was solely based in gold and salt, they did export slaves but it was only peripheral to their economy. A small factor. Yet Mali as a Muslim state for some strange reason gets flack.

 

[Blackking]

actually no. no one has called me out or proven me wrong. show me where west, central and south africans had slaves. why is this so hard to do, this is now my third time asking you. dont write me a page, post a receipt.

you were called out because he made false claims about mass slavery by Muslims.

That was the first claim made. Then you named and hyped up some kingdoms -- not realizing they were Islamic kingdoms.

OH yeah and check out dudes post above ^^

 

[Tommy Knocks]

you were called out because he made false claims about mass slavery by Muslims.

That was the first claim made. Then you named and hyped up some kingdoms -- not realizing they were Islamic kingdoms.

OH yeah and check out dudes post above ^^

wtf. mali wasnt muslim??? since when?

and the kingdoms I listed were southern and central african, where Im from, and we are not muslim.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

False. They didnt hold slaves. They had POWs and were selling them to europeans who offered money for them. and you can be hunter gathers with a society. ei native americans. wtf is going on here.

That wasn't my point.

Their economy was BASED around slavery unlike with Mali. And by the definition of a "civilization" North American Native Americans did not have an established one like Dahomey.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

wtf. mali wasnt muslim??? since when?

and the kingdoms I listed were southern and central african, where Im from, and we are not muslim.

Actually Mali(and Ghana) had a pagan majority. It wasn't until those Fulani Jihads that a significant number of West Africans became Muslim.

Do your research.

 

[J-Nice]

Okay, I think it's time to break this down so nothing is left in translation.

Moors are an African people period, whether light or black. When we're talking about the Moors, we have to specify the time period. Greco-Roman era Moors were littoral North Africans from Tunisia westward.

Early Islamic Moors were Northern Algerians and Moroccans. Mid Islamic Moors expanded to include western Saharans. For Christian Europe in the early and mid Islamic eras, Moors were any Muslims included in the invasion, conquest, and occupation of Al ~Andalus (Moorish Spain) including any Iberian converts to Islam.

For Christian Europe, on many occasion any African regardless of religion was considered a Moor (black). In modern times, the term Moor is more associated with Mauritanians, Moroccans, and other western Saharans.

We still on this?

 

[Blackking]

actually im not involved in the other pages, havent even read them. and again, show me where nzinga, shaka or any other southern, central africans held slaves. I want receipts.

real c00n fake c00n wtf is this bullshyt. you dont even know what the definition of a c00n is, and its apparent now. so, how about you give me the definition. im going to call out all your shyt. you dont know jack shyt.

Real c00n to me....... works with cac to detroy his own people. Allows CAC to have Full Access to the Motherland. Spends lifetimes destroying african tribe after african tribe - and not allowing them to keep their own culture and identity.


A person who I wouldn't call c00n is a kingdom bulider who allows tribes to keep their identity and allows Kingdoms to build up without selling out to CACs











u mad ahki?

 

[Blackking]

wtf. mali wasnt muslim??? since when?

and the kingdoms I listed were southern and central african, where Im from, and we are not muslim.

Ghana, sudan, Mali.. were all great kingdoms and part of something that united them all.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

And also you say African Muslims never fought against slavery lime the Angolans? Well research about the Portuguese defeat by the Malian when they tried to raid for slaves(pagan) in their territory.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

That wasn't my point.

Their economy was BASED around slavery unlike with Mali. And by the definition of a "civilization" North American Native Americans did not have an established one like Dahomey.

thats my POINT. it wasnt economically based because THEY HELD SLAVES dumbass. That was my point. Their country actually HAD slaves, like white people had slaves. Im talking actual slavery, not indentured servants but actual slaves.

Who wrote anything about civilization. I stated empire and society. youre making up your own argument now. Kongo Kingdom werent hunter gathers now? since when? Cherokee Nation werent? since when? These are the reasons they didnt have slaves to begin with.

Actually Mali(and Ghana) had a pagan majority. It wasn't until those Fulani Jihads that a significant number of West Africans became Muslim.

Do your research.

I cant tell if youre being stupid on purpose. Mali EMPIRE was created by Mansus lineage. They are muslim. Slavery began shortly after their reign.
Obv Mali and Ghana were pagan prior to that. as the entire fukking continent was.

Musa made his pilgrimage in 1324, his procession reported to include 60,000 men, 12,000 slaves who each carried four-pound gold bars, heralds dressed in silks who bore gold staffs, organized horses and handled bags. Musa provided all necessities for the procession, feeding the entire company of men and animal

show me prior to abu bakr and mari djata there was slavery. you wont and you cant.

 

[Trajan]

Who the hell said the Ummayyyads were black!???? You're throwing in things no one said.

The Ummayyads were a Caliphate of different diverse Muslims mainly Western Asians(Arabs), but also blacks(Berber/Moors) from the Maghreb.

No one bought of the Ummayyads, this thread is about the Moors specifically. The Moors who predates the Ummayyads and Muslims.

Check the bolded bit. They ARE the moors people are referring to. Finding accounts of black moors doesn't negate the fact that the house that conquered and set up the caliphate in Spain were an Arab dynasty.

 

[Mowgli]

@Tommy Knocks .... this one line is for you... the rest is for the other two people. - Shaka changed the entire culture of South Africa - from peaceful individual tribes --- to land and power hungry weapon inventing chaos.

It pains me to speak on it,

lol, but

There was a thread on Sohh....... asking about Shaka... created by blackkking..

I was trying to hype him up but then.....


It was explained to me how he opened up trade with CAC and opened up madd routes that they used to fukk us over. Also how he raped and killed some of his own women for zero reason at all.
How he took CAC weapons and used those to Become the African Christopher Colombus

Breh, dude for whatever reason Went Crazy because of power. He invented new ways to kill. Not kill his cac trading partners - but to kill africans.

I'm not saying he was some savage person - like Europeans have attemted to make him about to be just because he's african.

I'm saying it from another prospective....

When he took over other tribes --- He made sure they became ZULU , not keeping their tribal history, names, culture , etc
Plus historians... and even african historians put the Mfecane on his back Basically the equivalent of modern- Iraq, Libyia, and Sudan type chaos all happening at one time.

He is the one that 'granted' CAC to enter our motherland
CAC even provided MR Zulu with medical treatment when tribes and even members of this own clan tried to murk him

This dude Eventually Gave all white people and people of European decent, - especially Kings Full access to the Entire Zulu Kingdom............ Conveniently CAC gave zulu madd shyt like weapons to expand their kingdom.



We know so much about dude - both good and bad.... both false and true But we know nothing of so many leaders before or after him we barely know anything of the Real nikkas of the time........... his half bothers - Other local leaders, etc - Who wanted this c00n



might not be a c00n.... but there are some suspicious signs of pre-colonial c00nery

He was fighting dutch and english expansion into africa. He allied with the British to get the Dutch out of the area, not understanding the nature of the white man when he made compromises. Yes he copped guns but the Zulus primary weapons were stabbing and shield weapons. He had incredible battles with these cacs and yes he did war with other africans to unite the region against them cacs and obviously because he had the power to do so. He wasn't just going around killing for fun or acting as some kind of slave trader. The cacs brought their own slaves to the region when they eyed it's takeover.

Once shakas mother died he went crazy talkin bout the cows had to mourn his mother's death and couples couldn't fukk each other :mjl: this is when the women put the plot in motion and had his half brothers body him where shaka told them he was their only hope to keep the. Cacs from taking over southern africn

. Soon as they did his half brother stepped in because the British were pushing the Dutch out and the Dutch wanted a new settlement on the opposite side of where the Zulus were so they had to go through Zulus to get there. They Zulus had some great battles victories and Ls against the brits and Dutch and ultimately lost but we're talking damn near 300 years of battling.

Zulus weren't c00ns like that. Just a people trying to fight and adjust to imperialism. What made african nations so easy to topple like dominoes was having so many separate nations in a climate where foreigners want to take entire regions and don't care who is there. Someone has to unify for a common cause and it's not always someone history will laud as Jesus christ.

I'm summarizing but there are tons of books on south African history if you actually gave a damn. Calling shaka zulu a c00n is not honest and birders on trolling.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

And also you say African Muslims never fought against slavery lime the Angolans? Well research about the Portuguese defeat by the Malian when they tried to raid for slaves(pagan) in their territory.

mali battled portuguese? when was this. show me receipts. thats not even a region the Portuguese were in.

w...t....f is going on here.