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[JustCKing]

I already established that JD was biting. But the fact remains this nikka put too many ATL artists on the map to deny this. Nobody else in ATL sounded like Outkast like that either. So what’s that supposed to mean? Are we not gonna credit ATL for Crunk Music even tho its basically an offshoot of Memphis? And who was the King Of Crunk? Lil Jon. And who put Lil Jon on? Jermaine Dupri. shyt Jermaine bit from D4L wit Dem Franchise Boyz but that don’t change the fact that he made snap music popular with putting the sound on the map for the world first with White Tee. Was JD the first to discover Usher? Nope. It was Diddy. Did JD make Usher blow up by biting Timbaland’s sound and Ginuwine’s presentation? Yup. But regardless. JD is directly responsible for him turning into a megastar. It was under JD’s tutoring and production. We can keep naming people man. Fam even JD dropping Welcome To Atlanta was a big deal. U trippin brodie. Lol.

I said sonically, what acts were sounding like Kriss Kross.

And again, Kast was introducing people to the terms Crunk and trap before they became actual sounds and movements.

JD didn't bite D4L with Dem Franchise Boyz. They had "White Tee" before they signed to So So Def. They dropped their debut on Universal. They had an album before anyone heard of D4L. Can't really give him the credit for Snap.

And when you really think about it before OutKast blew up in 1994, JD only had a major hand in Kriss Kross and Xscape.

Pre- 1996, Prove JD was representing Atlanta.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

JD has never been the face of Atlanta

And he’s admitted as such when Welcome to Atlanta dropped and he was happy about it because that’s the first time he had a #1 record in the city. nikkas talking out they ass in this thread

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

And he’s admitted as such when Welcome to Atlanta dropped and he was happy about it because that’s the first time he had a #1 record in the city. nikkas talking out they ass in this thread

Being the face of Atlanta, having a #1 records as an artist, and being a pioneer of the music scene aren’t all the same thing.

JD is pivotal to the ATL music scene and has been since the early 90’s

 

[JustCKing]

JD is pivotal to the ATL music scene and has been since the early 90’s

If this had been the initial post, there would be no arguments here. Jermaine was truly pivotal in ATL music. There is no denying that and anyone who did would be foolish. There's a difference between being pivotal and putting the city on the map though.

Him not having a #1 record in the city speaks to what I was talking about before. JD was not looked at in that regard, which is why I am saying he didn't put Atlanta on. Nobody checks for JD because he's JD the same way nobody checks for Atlanta because of JD. He's produced songs and introduced artists that people love to this day, but when you think of Atlanta, JD isn't gonna be one of the first people to come to mind as much as some song or some artist he might've been a part of. Whereas OutKast is definitely a face for the city, if not the whole state. Nobody was asking for JD to do the half time show neither year the Super Bowl was held in ATL. Everybody was up in arms, even people outside the city, when Kast wasn't the headlining act for the half time show that year. People actually thought it was a no brainer when it was announced that the Super Bowl would be in Atlanta.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Being the face of Atlanta, having a #1 records as an artist, and being a pioneer of the music scene aren’t all the same thing.

JD is pivotal to the ATL music scene and has been since the early 90’s

And no one is disputing that but he’s been known in the industry as a biter

Brat - Snoop
Xscape -SWV/En Vogue
Mr. Black - mafioso braggadocios 90s spitter and ghostwriter

all the while he was pumping carbon copy acts, he seriously dropped the ball with Trina Broussard and Anthony Hamilton

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

If this had been the initial post, there would be no arguments here. Jermaine was truly pivotal in ATL music. There is no denying that and anyone who did would be foolish. There's a difference between being pivotal and putting the city on the map though.

he's one of the people who put it on the map tho...you seem to want to take that from him. and i don't see how you divorce someone like him who helped build the ATL music scene from putting ATL on the map - they go hand in hand.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

And no one is disputing that but he’s been known in the industry as a biter

Brat - Snoop
Xscape -SWV/En Vogue
Mr. Black - mafioso braggadocios 90s spitter and ghostwriter

all the while he was pumping carbon copy acts, he seriously dropped the ball with Trina Broussard and Anthony Hamilton

How was Xscape biting off En Vogue and SWV? JD himself said he was trying to image them like a female Jodeci

 

[JustCKing]

he's one of the people who put it on the map tho...you seem to want to take that from him. and i don't see how you divorce someone like him who helped build the ATL music scene from putting ATL on the map - they go hand in hand.

The same way many are also divorcing someone like Dallas Austin from the argument even though he did what JD did BEFORE JD.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

And no one is disputing that but he’s been known in the industry as a biter

Brat - Snoop
Xscape -SWV/En Vogue
Mr. Black - mafioso braggadocios 90s spitter and ghostwriter

all the while he was pumping carbon copy acts, he seriously dropped the ball with Trina Broussard and Anthony Hamilton

lol @ carbon copy acts. there were multiple girl groups in the 90's, plenty of them with the same style music and jerseys/baggy clothes on their debut (TLC, Jade, etc). brat wasn't a snoop clone so much as JD wanted a funk styled album, she happened to be the artist who got it, diddy did the same for big. you don't even have a point of reference for mr black other than him making a style of music tons of rappers made at that time, and his role was ghostwriter as you noted, no one gives af about him to say he was copy of anything... and it doesn't matter, he made them successful in addition to breaking kid acts like kriss kross and bow wow who master p then bit. as well as the heights he took mariah and usher to. that's the industry.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The same way many are also divorcing someone like Dallas Austin from the argument even though he did what JD did BEFORE JD.

dallas aint never made himself an artist, he never had a label, he's one of the people a mogul like JD or LaReid gets on the team to make hits for the artists they sign. Dallas is a great producer, but he wasn't out there scouting and signing talent, he was in-house and wrote for who the label told him to. the same way diddy gets the credit for putting together his writing/production teams, that's JD and his teams...no one says stevie j did so and so for the industry because he was a player in diddy's lineup. dallas was a player in laface's lineup

 

[JustCKing]

dallas aint never made himself an artist, he never had a label, he's one of the people a mogul like JD or LaReid gets on the team to make hits for the artists they sign. Dallas is a great producer, but he wasn't out there scouting and signing talent, he was in-house and wrote for who the label told him to. the same way diddy gets the credit for putting together his writing/production teams, that's JD and his teams...no one says stevie j did so and so for the industry because he was a player in diddy's lineup. dallas was a player in laface's lineup

Dallas Austin had a label. Monica is an artist that Dallas Austin put on. She was signed to him. He produced her first single "Just One Of Them Days".

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Dallas Austin had a label. Monica is an artist that Dallas Austin put on. She was signed to him. He produced her first single "Just One Of Them Days".

LaReid was a co-founder of that label...i'll just leave that there. no one is taking Dallas's production credit from him, but he wasn't the same beast as JD on the business side.

 

[Deadman187]

Dallas Austin had a label. Monica is an artist that Dallas Austin put on. She was signed to him. He produced her first single "Just One Of Them Days".

Rowdy Records. shyt fell apart becuase Dallas felt that LA Reid was signing all the ATL hip hop acts to LaFace, when they should have been on Rowdy instead

 

[Big Boss]

I’m not trying to google but I’m gonna say that JD is the first artist from the South to have a single with JayZ and a single with Biggie. He also put out the first kid rappers to go platinum and the first female rapper to go platinum. And I’m not even going in on his RnB stuff. Dude was a damn actual mini Puffy.

facts

 

[Mastamimd]

Apparently Coko was uneasy because she witnessed a shooting