Verzuz Present: SWV vs Xscape | 5/8 8PM ET

[JustCKing]

puff was a behind-the-scenes guy at uptown. the public didnt know him. he also never wrote anything, nor made any beats.

bad boy had a bigger peak, but i wouldnt say they were a "WAY BIGGER DEAL".

Puff was a superstar in his own right though once he blew up.

Bad Boy was definitely a bigger deal. The credit you are giving to JD for crossing Mariah over into Hip Hop is more so Puff's doing as Puff produced the remix to "Fantsasy". He also did the "Honey" remix. "Breakdown" was Stevie J, one of Puff's Hitmen.

 

[spliz]

nah, the coverage of it and everything was lopsided.
an east coast producer wouldnt have got done like mannie did in that battle.

its a battle. i dont think any PC guidelines were laid down beforehand. the backlash mannie got from that, is prolly the reason why gucci mane initially didnt want to be bothered with it.. and you see they threw their so-called morals out the window with the quickness and let gucci do what he wanted so they could profit off of his f*ckery.

so yea, i can see why the south feels some type of way about this stuff. that precedant has been set.

but we still agree about atlanta and their funny ways.





puff was a behind-the-scenes guy at uptown. the public didnt know him. he also never wrote anything, nor made any beats.

bad boy had a bigger peak, but i wouldnt say they were a "WAY BIGGER DEAL".

Fam the fact that Gucci vs Jeezy even got to happen over 50 vs Ja is proof that it wasn’t no south hate. They came in with that negative energy from the door. If it was an South producer vs Storch that produced nothin but bangers for people ranging from Beyonce to Jay to Dr Dre to Snoop to TI etc etc. The shyt would be fine. Mannie was disrespectful whether it was a battle or not. He was ODin and that shyt got old quick. I knew that was a weird matchup from jump street. Mannie was basically an in house producer for the most part. And Bad Boy was def a bigger deal. Puff had his hands in literally everything in music at one point. All them remixes n shyt like that.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

jemele

She a try hard, performative Twitter black

 

[Wacky D]

Nah man, how could JD put ATL on the map with another region sound? Dungeon fam was the only cats on video and etc, on top of their music CLEARLY saying ATL back then

youre contradicting yourself

outkast came out jockin souls of mischief & them. they also had g-funk influenced stuff.

you and @JustCKing want it to be one way.

Jermaine Dupri didn't step up though. He put out groups that you had no idea were from Atlanta unless you read interviews or press releases. Atlanta wasn't represented in the mainstream until this:

JD even took the name of his Atlanta anthem and concept from that Interlude. That album introduced the world to every aspect of Atlanta. NOBODY did that on a mainstream level BEFORE Kast. They even had videos shot in Atlanta. Puff came here to direct one of their first videos. Fab Five Freddy brought Yo MtV Raps to the Dungeon to discuss Atlanta with Kast.

Has nothing to do with who I like more. I'm a JD fan as well. Its revision to say he put Atlanta on the map though.

youre arguing about other stuff, that nobody really cares about.

sure, outkast did more to bring the culture of born-n-raised atlanta life to the mainstream but we're not talking about that. we're talking about who put it on the hip-hop map.
and again, youre argument just goes one way. cuz outkast themselvers were criticized for not really reppin atlanta right.

and like we said earlier, nobody really cared about atlanta culture until a decade later. so what are you really harping on about??

Atlanta has NEVER tried to be the new New York. Atlanta is a BLACK city and because of it, a lot of us flocked to Atlanta to start businesses and pursue careers where doors were closed in other outlets. Jack The Rapper where some of the biggest rappers got their break was in Atlanta. Morehouse is in Atlanta. A huge part of the Civil Rights movement is Atlanta and you gott a throw Memphis in there, which is why there is a lot of Memphis influence in our music. Atlanta has always been an epicenter for Black culture, it was only a matter of time before it became a Black Hollywood of sorts. Even New Yorkers bought homes and moved here. They even opened up businesses here.

clearly, you didnt understand my post at all.

 

[JustCKing]

youre arguing about other stuff, that nobody really cares about.

sure, outkast did more to bring the culture of born-n-raised atlanta life to the mainstream but we're not talking about that. we're talking about who put it on the hip-hop map.
and again, youre argument just goes one way. cuz outkast themselvers were criticized for not really reppin atlanta right.

and like we said earlier, nobody really cared about atlanta culture until a decade later. so what are you really harping on about??

Breh, JD did not put ATL on the Hip Hop map which is a complete contradiction of the what you said here:

sure, outkast did more to bring the culture of born-n-raised atlanta life to the mainstream

^^^ how is this not putting Atlanta on the map especially for Hip Hop. You didn't get that from Kriss Kross or any other Atlanta that came before OutKast. JD had no credible Atlanta rap acts. That's not even up for debate.

And yes, people did care about Atlanta culture in the 90's after Kast dropped with Southernplayalistic. Magic City, the night clubs, all these places that were depicted on Kast's debut became hot spots for people outside the city.

Nobody ever criticized Kast for not rapping the city right, but I can actually pull up songs where JD was dissed directly for misrepresenting the city.

 

[Wacky D]

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you act like they did tons of work with rappers before that...they had the wu tang remix and a Jay z remix.

smooth the hustler
lost boyz
craig mack
redman
busta rhymes i think??
thats just off the top of my head.

most of these names werent even big like that yet when they recorded with them.

yall on some bullchit struggling to single out a song they did with missy elliot, before missy even started making rap songs as if missy wasnt a whole ass singer in an r&b group that was big behind the scenes for writing r&b songs and such.

big difference between going to missy as an r&b/r&b collabo. as opposed to putting on for people like smooth the hustler, getting wutang their first real look on radio, etc.

like i said, SWV was definitely new york/north jersey in their music. you just didnt realize - and thats all you had to say.

Breh, JD did not put ATL on the Hip Hop map which is a complete contradiction of the what you said here:

^^^ how is this not putting Atlanta on the map especially for Hip Hop. You didn't get that from Kriss Kross or any other Atlanta that came before OutKast. JD had no credible Atlanta rap acts. That's not even up for debate.

And yes, people did care about Atlanta culture in the 90's after Kast dropped with Southernplayalistic. Magic City, the night clubs, all these places that were depicted on Kast's debut became hot spots for people outside the city.

Nobody ever criticized Kast for not rapping the city right, but I can actually pull up songs where JD was dissed directly for misrepresenting the city.

we know about magic city and all that stuff because of JD.
outkast may have rapped about it before JD on their album cuts, but as i said, they werent nearly as popular as you make them out to be.

while you pull up the JD disses, you might as well puill up ghetto mafia dissing outkast. but you wont do that, because as i said earlier - you only want it to be one way.

and yall holding onto those later collabos that they didnt even want to do, for arguments sake.

stop playin.

 

[JustCKing]

we know about magic city and all that stuff because of JD.
outkast may have rapped about it before JD on their album cuts, but as i said, they werent nearly as popular as you make them out to be.

while you pull up the JD disses, you might as well puill up ghetto mafia dissing outkast. but you wont do that, because as i said earlier - you only want it to be one way.

and yall holding onto those later collabos that they didnt even want to do, for arguments sake.

stop playin.

Breh, what linked JD to Magic City? And what's funny is you mention Kast talking about it on an album cut, but fail to mention any connection between JD and Magic City and claim you knew about Magic City because of JD. Kast was far more popular than JD. That's an undeniable fact.

Ghetto Mafia never dissed Kast especially not for misrepresenting the city.

What collabos are "we" supposedly holding onto for arguments sake?

 

[Wacky D]

Yes, JD was established, but there's a difference between someone who is established and someone being established and being someone who people recognize as someone who turned their eyes and ears into something when they were looking elsewhere. That did not happen with JD because, again, him being from Atlanta wasn't something that was important. Nobody looked at him as representing Atlanta.

i hope youre not trying to say that outkast did the bolded.

Breh. Kriss Kross wasn't even the first successful kid act from Atlanta. Follow the thread. Again, ya'll rewriting history for the sake of pushing the narrative that JD put ATL on the map. If JD put ATL on the map, why should it have fallen on Kast to give ATL respect from an MC standpoint. JD had put on Kriss Kross, signed Xscape and they dropped their album by the time Kast dropped their debut, yet someone who you say put the city on couldn't put a credible MC out?

this stuff is neither here nor there.

2 live crew was the group who put the south as a whole on the map. they werent respected from an mc standpoint at all.

i cant tell if youre just playing numb or if you really dont understand.

Breh, what linked JD to Magic City? And what's funny is you mention Kast talking about it on an album cut, but fail to mention any connection between JD and Magic City and claim you knew about Magic City because of JD. Kast was far more popular than JD. That's an undeniable fact.

Ghetto Mafia never dissed Kast especially not for misrepresenting the city.

What collabos are "we" supposedly holding onto for arguments sake?

you just bullchitted thru every part of this post.

just wave the white flag already.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

smooth the hustler
lost boyz
craig mack
redman
busta rhymes i think??
thats just off the top of my head.

most of these names werent even big like that yet when they recorded with them.

yall on some bullchit struggling to single out a song they did with missy elliot, before missy even started making rap songs as if missy wasnt a whole ass singer in an r&b group that was big behind the scenes for writing r&b songs and such.

big difference between going to missy as an r&b/r&b collabo. as opposed to putting on for people like smooth the hustler, getting wutang their first real look on radio, etc.

like i said, SWV was definitely new york/north jersey in their music. you just didnt realize - and thats all you had to say.


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you naming blackstreet songs, remixes with hella people on them that didn't do nothing. SWV being from NY was not a big part of their music, stop it. they aint have no NY anthem the way a group like tony toni tone had oakland stroke. and collaborations are just as much label politics as personal preference, if not, more.

 

[Wacky D]

you naming blackstreet songs, remixes with hella people on them that didn't do nothing. SWV being from NY was not a big part of their music, stop it. they aint have no NY anthem the way a group like tony toni tone had oakland stroke. and collaborations are just as much label politics as personal preference, if not, more.

that craig mack was the blackstreet song, you right.
thing is, he was the only one that was already a star when he worked with them so i didnt even have to put that on there.

theres no label politics involved in doing songs with smooth the hustler, or wutang when their debut album wasnt selling.
and clearly all these rappers were either NY or north jerz.

if you need for them to do a NEW YORK anthem to recognize that they were clearly some new york girls(prolly from jamaica queens or some chit). then i dont know what to tell you. i'll just end this chit here.

did you not know that mary j blige was from new york?? theres realy no difference in her approach.

 

[JustCKing]

i hope youre not trying to say that outkast did the bolded.

They did because Atlanta was viewed as an R&B city before the arrival of Kast

this stuff is neither here nor there.

2 live crew was the group who put the south as a whole on the map. they werent respected from an mc standpoint at all.

i cant tell if youre just playing numb or if you really dont understand.

And there's a reason why people look at Geto Boys as the artists who put The South on the map more so than 2LiveCrew.

you just bullchitted thru every part of this post.

just wave the white flag already.

Just answer the question. Otherwise you're doing the very thing you're accusing me of.

 

[Big Boss]

is there a mothers day specical???

 

[Wacky D]

Breh, Jermaine was not that sympatico with TLC that he was synonymous with the group. He wasn't always with them. He had a small cameo in a video. There was literally nothing special about it or some great story behind it. Some of you are making it like, this was JD introducing the world to TLC, when in reality, NOBODY cared that JD was even in TLC video because he wasn't even really known then. Who really saw the "Baby Baby Baby" video and saw JD and was like "they got JD in a video".

he was in all the videos from TLC first album, except maybe the 1st one.
and of course we knew him from kriss kross.
both groups came out pretty much the same time and instantly became the two biggest groups in black music. and hes ALL IN EVERY VIDEO.

no it wasnt "they got JD in the video".
it was moreso "who is this guy? he must be the man" and then the rest was quickly pieced together.

 

[JustCKing]

yall on some bullchit struggling to single out a song they did with missy elliot, before missy even started making rap songs as if missy wasnt a whole ass singer in an r&b group that was big behind the scenes for writing r&b songs and such.

Breh, Missy RAPPED on the song. She is generally viewed as a rapper. Every guest spot she had up to that point was her rapping not singing. Missy hadn't been a full on singer since Sista, which was 1993.

big difference between going to missy as an r&b/r&b collabo. as opposed to putting on for people like smooth the hustler, getting wutang their first real look on radio, etc.

It wasn't an R&B/R&B collabo, but you wouldn't know that because you don't even know the song in question.

702- Steelo feat. Missy Elliott RAPPING

Gina Thompson- Things You Do feat. Missy RAPPING

MC Lyte- Cold Rock A Party feat. Missy RAPPING

New Edition feat. Missy Elliott RAPPING

 

[Wacky D]

They did because Atlanta was viewed as an R&B city before the arrival of Kast

And there's a reason why people look at Geto Boys as the artists who put The South on the map more so than 2LiveCrew.

Just answer the question. Otherwise you're doing the very thing you're accusing me of.

1. sorry to break it to you, but atlanta was still viewed as an r&b city, long after outkast blew up.

2. nobody who was around in real-time says that, except people who want to alter history on the slick. basically, what youre doing in this thread.

3. i answered the question before you jumped in asking. i answered it in the post that you quoted actually. you dont read.