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[Dynamite James]

Exactly. Dallas Austin or Babyface would have been a better example, but then again music savant Wacky was like 9 when Creep dropped

I think people are talking about how JD appeared in 3 of their videos from the first album.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Usher and TLC were not So So Def artists. Jagged Edge wasn't really a big deal in the 90's. They didn't take off until the '00's.

Your timeline is off because Kast two platinum albums by the time Jagged Edge dropped their debut in the 90's.

Outkast was just one act, but you want to talk about movements, let's talk:

1) OutKast went platinum, which opened doors for Dungeon Family as a whole, which included Goodie Mob and Organized Noize

2) Organized Noize, after producing Kast's first album, went on to do "Waterfalls" for TLC, which is possibly their biggest song. This was the biggest single off their best selling album which greatly helped catapult them to one of the biggest female groups in music ever.

3) Goodie Mob came out in 1995 and went gold

4) Kast dropped their sophomore in 1996, which quickly went platinum scoring them more gold singles and a #1 rap single. The same year, Organized Noize produced a #1 single for En Vogue, which was one of their biggest singles. Organized Noize is also brought in that same year to produce what would be Curtis Mayfield's last album.

5) Kast and Goodie both drop albums in 1998. Goodie goes gold again and Aquemini is Kast's biggest album both commercially and critically in the 90's. It went 2X platinum despite none of the singles being bigger than the singles from their previous albums.

6) Goodie Mob drops another gold album in 1999. Cee Lo Green appears on Carlos Santanna's album from that same year for which he receives a Grammy. Big Boi appears on albums from Slick Rick, Missy Elliott, and Young Bloodz. Kast produces and appears on songs for Tash, Mystikal, and Eightball & MJG.

By the time Jagged Edge and Bow Wow really blew, Kast was easily bigger than both.

Kast in the 90's were bigger than anyone signed to So So Def. Organized Noize in the 90's were rivaling JD as producers.

Kris Kross was bigger after their debut than Kast was after theirs tho. Kast took a couple albums before they became superstars. You could argue that didn’t happen till their third album

 

[BmoreGorilla]

THIS

i dont know why this isnt registering with @JustCKing.





JD isnt underrated because of atlanta artists bro.

nobody outside of atlanta knows what a greenbriar mall is, nor do we care.

JD was indeed on that different world episode. he was the DJ at the end of the show. THATS THE POINT. he was a fixture in everything and he talked on most of the records. he wasnt just some lowly producer playing the background. it was obvious that he was the man. then add the fact that he wasnt much older and certainly wasnt much more taller than them, made everybody take notice to who this guy was. then by the end of 93, he had his own label.

"yo dallas man. flip the track". outside of that quick chit on iesha, we never saw dallas austin. he was basically what youre trying to paint JD as.

as for the last part, i see where youre going. you want outkast to be seen as the guys who put atlanta on the map. i shouldve known.

I don’t understand why he refuses to give JD his props


He was playing the Puff role before Puff if we gonna keep it a buck

 

[JustCKing]

Kris Kross was bigger after their debut than Kast was after theirs tho. Kast took a couple albums before they became superstars. You could argue that didn’t happen till their third album

Kriss Kross were superstars out the gate, but they DIDN'T put ATL on the map for the simple fact that nobody associated them with ATL. I can legit tell you that Southernplayalistic did more for Atlanta than Kriss Kross's debut.

 

[Wacky D]

i dont think anybody even mentioned mariah.

JD chit is so deep, we didnt even have to bring up the fact that mariah was basically so so def.

JD is the one who really crossed her over into the hip-hop culture. then he went back and revived her career altogether when she was on her last legs years later.

Their songs with e-40 and snoop say different

i already addressed this.

that was the label putting them with random rappers on that later album, which they hated.

 

[JustCKing]

I don’t understand why he refuses to give JD his props


He was playing the Puff role before Puff if we gonna keep it a buck

JD gets his props, but I'm not going to rewrite history or just agree to get along just because some of you want to say JD is the face of Atlanta (laughable) and that he put Atlanta onnthe map.

 

[Wacky D]

Kriss Kross were superstars out the gate, but they DIDN'T put ATL on the map for the simple fact that nobody associated them with ATL. I can legit tell you that Southernplayalistic did more for Atlanta than Kriss Kross's debut.

why do you keep trying to argue in circles??

it aint even about kriss kross. its about JD.

LAFACE put atlanta on the map. outkast dropped their debut on laface YEARS later.

now if youre talking hip-hop culture. JD was the face of atlanta to your average person around the country in the '90s. so naturally hes seen as the one who put atlanta on the map on the hip-hop side, even tho he made transplant music.

as far as atlanta hip-hop really becoming a thing. that didnt happen til like 2003. by that point, outkast was off making videos like "hey ya" and "roses smell like booboo". they werent responsible for any domino effect in the '90s.

theres no way you can spin this from any angle. like my man said, outkast were outliers. and theres nothing wrong with that. you just want them to be more than they were.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Kriss Kross were superstars out the gate, but they DIDN'T put ATL on the map for the simple fact that nobody associated them with ATL. I can legit tell you that Southernplayalistic did more for Atlanta than Kriss Kross's debut.

I’m sure Kast did do more for ATL than Kris Kross but it’s about JD. Who else from ATL was putting on artists from ATL before him?

 

[JustCKing]

i dont think anybody even mentioned mariah.

JD chit is so deep, we didnt even have to bring up the fact that mariah was basically so so def.

JD is the one who really crossed her over into the hip-hop culture. then he went back and revived her career altogether when she was on her last legs years later.

^^^ this the bogus BS I'm talking about. Straight up history rewrite.

Nobody mentioned Mariah because Mariah was already a mega star BEFORE JD produced "Always Be My Baby". "Fantasy" remix is what crossed Mariah into Hip Hop and possibly "Dream Lover" (sonically). Most of Mariah's crossovers into Hip Hop had NOTHING to do with JD. Nobody thought she was a So So Def artist. Emancipation of Mimi was the first time JD and Mariah really locked in for an album. That was 2005.

 

[JustCKing]

why do you keep trying to argue in circles??

it aint even about kriss kross. its about JD.

LAFACE put atlanta on the map. outkast dropped their debut on laface YEARS later.

now if youre talking hip-hop culture. JD was the face of atlanta to your average person around the country in the '90s.

as far as atlanta hip-hop really becoming a thing. that didnt happen til like 2003. by that point, outkast was off making videos like "hey ya" and "roses smell like booboo"

theres no way you can spin this from any angle. like my man said, outkast were outliers. and theres nothing wrong with that.

I’m sure Kast did do more for ATL than Kris Kross but it’s about JD. Who else from ATL was putting on artists from ATL before him?

Then why did you bring up Kriss Kross being superstars before Kast? If you're conceding that Kast did more for ATL than Kriss Kross, what legs does your argument for JD have when you both have spent pages waxing poetic about how JD's involvement with Kriss Kross as a foundation for him putting Atlanta on?

JD has never been the face of Atlanta in terms of Hip Hop culture because Da Brat was the only culturally relevant Hip Hop artist he had and she isn't from Atlanta. Kriss Kross and Bow Wow were both kid acts that nobody was looking at in the light they were looking at their adult contemporaries.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Then why did you bring up Kriss Kross being superstars before Kast? If you're conceding that Kast did more for ATL than Kriss Kross, what legs does your argument for JD have when you both have spent pages waxing poetic about how JD's involvement with Kriss Kross as a foundation for him putting Atlanta on?

JD has never been the face of Atlanta in terms of Hip Hop culture because Da Brat was the only culturally relevant Hip Hop artist he had and she isn't from Atlanta. Kriss Kross and Bow Wow were both kid acts that nobody was looking at in the light they were looking at their adult contemporaries.

I brought up Kris Kross being bigger than Kast becuz they were JD’s group


He was responsible for all of that

 

[spliz]

What did JD do in the '90's that was more pivotal to ATL music? What movement did he even have because all I've seen is this:

1) Kriss Kross who were huge as a kid rap group, but did nothing on terms of people looking at them and recognizing that Atlanta was AT LEAST on the come up

2) JD appearing in TLC's video and people lying that they knew who he was (from the few clips he was in) and saying they associated that with Atlanta when nothing ties him to Atlanta

3) So So Def, which launched Xscape as its first act, which again I ask, What did they do to push Atlanta to the forefront?

Bruh JD created the soundscape for ATL in the 90s and even in Early 00s. There’s no way anyone can deny this and Outkast pales in comparison. Lol. nikka pulled what was hot from every region and packaged it for ATL artists. This can’t be disputed really. I mean even Lil Jon started wit that nikka. Lol. JD is a biter and all that. But that nikka put ATL on the map like no other. And it’s not even close. He’s the South’s P Diddy but less creatively talented while more technically talented.

 

[JustCKing]

Bruh JD created the soundscape for ATL in the 90s and even in Early 00s. There’s no way anyone can deny this and Outkast pales in comparison. Lol. nikka pulled what was hot from every region and packaged it for ATL artists. This can’t be disputed really. I mean even Lil Jon started wit that nikka. Lol. JD is a biter and all that. But that nikka put ATL on the map like no other. And it’s not even close. He’s the South’s P Diddy but less creatively talented while more technically talented.

Sonically, we can't give credit to JD for that. What else sounded like Kriss Kross in Atlanta? And even with Kriss Kross, there was Another Bad Creation before them, who was produced by Dallas Austin who also produced the bulk of TLC's debut. There's no way to give credit for ATL's sound without crediting Dallas and even Organized Noize.

 

[JustCKing]

I brought up Kris Kross being bigger than Kast becuz they were JD’s group


He was responsible for all of that

But on the same token, you're saying Kast did more for ATL than Kriss Kross, so however responsible JD was for Kriss Kross nullifies that point.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

But on the same token, you're saying Kast did more for ATL than Kriss Kross, so however responsible JD was for Kriss Kross nullifies that point.

Of course Kast alone did more for ATL than Kris Kross from a pure music standpoint. But JD was the first mogul from the city and he by himself did more for the scene than Kast ever did