Verzuz Present: SWV vs Xscape | 5/8 8PM ET

[JustCKing]

i wasnt involved in whatever argument youre referring to in the bolded. you aint hear that from me.

coko didnt want it out there in real-time that she was on the "men in black" hook, as it was too commercial.

missy's really not a rapper. thats why i skipped over her. she prolly wrote the entire song that she appeared on. prolly sung the hook on the reference track too.

the label had them doing songs with snoop, e-40 and all them other rappers on that album. they were complaining about the label doing that, as well as that album on their Unsung. that album wasnt really them. it was all over the place. not saying that they had anything against any of those rappers, especially not snoop. but you gave a bad example there.

Missy Elliott RAPS on the song. Nobody cares whether you think she's a rapper or not. She's not from NY or NJ as you claimed SWV exclusively worked with rappers from those places. And the fact that you're saying "she probably wrote the song she appeared" proves you shouldn't even be having this conversation. Everybody knows she wrote the song. It was a single and video.

She wasn't credited on "Men In Black". It doesn't matter why. The point remains, she wasn't credited.

Who cares what the label had them doing. They had rappers on that album that weren't from NY and NJ when you claimed they only worked with rappers from NY and NJ. How is it a bad example, when it's actually what happened: they worked with rappers who weren't from NY and NJ.

 

[Grand Eeezus Maxwell]

With the energy early on, plus that rendition of "Tonight", I thought SWV was finished, but LeCheryl Gamble ran to the locker room, threw on some Js, came back and put the team on her back like a mf.

 

[JustCKing]

He didn’t really play the background tho. I fact I remember he was being hailed as a young genius becuz he was still a teen but was behind one of the biggest acts in music

Background as in he wasn't anywhere near as famous or recognizable as Kriss Kross.

 

[JustCKing]

outkast didnt blow up until 2 years later. and on top of that, JD brought da brat out during that time, and she was bigger than outkast. we thought da brat was from atlanta back then. she was basically the biggest atlanta rap star for a few years until she started making it known that she was from chicago.

Da Brat was not the biggest Atlanta rap star for few years. Sure, people thought she was from Atlanta, but clearly she wasn't.

and you could dissect outkast the same way youre disecting JD, seeing how alot of people thought outkast was from california, rapping like souls of mischief & them.

Nobody thought Kast was from Cali.

plus, dungeon family morse made music for critics & native tongue fans. they didnt have the all-around cultural impact.

Kast had more cultural impact than So So Def.

if we're keeping it a bean, atlanta didnt really get any mainstream rappers that took you to atlanta until the crunk movement. so by your logics, lil jon put atlanta hip-hop on the map.

And this statement contradicts our whole post.

 

[Deltron]

i'm from the bay, and we never thought Kast was from here...the fukk?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Background as in he wasn't anywhere near as famous or recognizable as Kriss Kross.

Yea but that doesn’t change the fact he was the first home grown mogul/producer from ATL

 

[JustCKing]

Yea but that doesn’t change the fact he was the first home grown mogul/producer from ATL

He was one of the first. Nobody's taking that from him. That still doesn't mean he put ATL on the map though.

 

[Wacky D]

Breh, Jermaine Dupri was not synonymous with TLC. He produced like two songs for them and neither of them were major hits.

Puff and Jermaine were not the same animal. Bad Boy was a way bigger deal than So So Def. Puff had clout from working with Heavy D, Jodeci, and Mary J. Blige at Uptown.

Exactly. Dallas Austin or Babyface would have been a better example, but then again music savant Wacky was like 9 when Creep dropped

i never said he produced anything. ITS NOT ABOUT THAT.

the fact is, he was always with them, and they were the movement.

youre too caught up in "who did what", which is not what that argument was about. we were simply telling you that we knew him, and why we knew him.

and @Won Won is just a dikkhead. jumping in out of nowhere, looking stupid as usual. and not that it matters, but youre also bringing up the song "Creep" which wasnt even out in the same era that we're speaking on. please go somewhere. we dont need you trolls ruining this thread. we made it 95 pages without yall.

 

[NormanConnors]

Kellz playing the songs he wrote and produced for mary against mary. Lol!

If it was crafted for Mary/put out on her album, with her vocals, then it should only be hers to play in a verzuz.

That's why some pen masters/artist have the face when they reflect on a song they should have kept. That child is no longer theirs.


Pen masters/artist should only be able to play those songs in verzuz tailored to that/or against a similar talent, like how the producers did it.

 

[Wacky D]

He was one of the first. Nobody's taking that from him. That still doesn't mean he put ATL on the map though.

but nobody really put ATL on the map tho.
it was already established as the black music capital before any atlanta natives really claimed it.

he was the 1st local to really step up. and so so def is really the 1st thing people think of in regards to '90s atlanta hip-hop/new era r&b.

its really nothing to argue, unless you just want that title to go to someone who you personally like better.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

He was one of the first. Nobody's taking that from him. That still doesn't mean he put ATL on the map though.

He was absolutely the first. Who else was from ATL that was putting on other acts before him?

 

[NormanConnors]

yea. ABC was the kid group that we absolutely knew was from atlanta. moreso than kriss kross.

but ABC was the kid's version of BBD. the r&b/rap hybrid thing. as opposed to kriss kross, who were str8 hip-hop. thats why i left ABC out of this.





we knew who JD was and where he was from.

the early '90s was when atlanta became the black music capital via transplants. but JD was the hip-hop guy and you knew he was really from there.

people outside of atlanta, didnt know or care about whether or not JD had direct ties to the atlanta hip-hop circuit. those are local arguments. not national.





again, nobody cares about how the music sounded. its about putting that stamp on the map.
outkast didnt blow up until 2 years later. and on top of that, JD brought da brat out during that time, and she was bigger than outkast. we thought da brat was from atlanta back then. she was basically the biggest atlanta rap star for a few years until she started making it known that she was from chicago.

and you could dissect outkast the same way youre disecting JD, seeing how alot of people thought outkast was from california, rapping like souls of mischief & them.

plus, dungeon family morse made music for critics & native tongue fans. they didnt have the all-around cultural impact.

if we're keeping it a bean, atlanta didnt really get any mainstream rappers that took you to atlanta until the crunk movement. so by your logics, lil jon put atlanta hip-hop on the map.

really NOBODY put atlanta on, as it was already the place to be before atlanta hip-hop became a thing. even with the kriss kross argument, ABC was already huge before kriss kross came out.

the bottom line is that JD & so so def put the stamp on it, and the logo was the face of it throughout the '90s.

Nah man, how could JD put ATL on the map with another region sound? Dungeon fam was the only cats on video and etc, on top of their music CLEARLY saying ATL back then

 

[Grand Eeezus Maxwell]

"This my rappin debut, y'all! Representin' for all....EIGHTY members of Wu-Tang!"

 

[JustCKing]

but nobody really put ATL on the map tho.
it was already established as the black music capital before any atlanta natives really claimed it.

he was the 1st local to really step up. and so so def is really the 1st thing people think of in regards to '90s atlanta hip-hop/new era r&b.

its really nothing to argue, unless you just want that title to go to someone who you personally like better.

Jermaine Dupri didn't step up though. He put out groups that you had no idea were from Atlanta unless you read interviews or press releases. Atlanta wasn't represented in the mainstream until this:

JD even took the name of his Atlanta anthem and concept from that Interlude. That album introduced the world to every aspect of Atlanta. NOBODY did that on a mainstream level BEFORE Kast. They even had videos shot in Atlanta. Puff came here to direct one of their first videos. Fab Five Freddy brought Yo MtV Raps to the Dungeon to discuss Atlanta with Kast.



Has nothing to do with who I like more. I'm a JD fan as well. Its revision to say he put Atlanta on the map though.

 

[JustCKing]

its revenge for the mannie fresh fiasco. i wouldnt even battle a southern artist if i was from the east coast, after that debacle.
i can understand it from that standpoint.

on the other hand, atlanta been trying to be the NEW new york for the longest. basically turning into everything they used to hate about new yorkers, even at the expense of low-balling other southern cities.
it will never work because they think they have way more clout/influence than they actually do, and arent respected like that.

their r&b is up there tho, but theyre gonna drag it down with the foolery.

Atlanta has NEVER tried to be the new New York. Atlanta is a BLACK city and because of it, a lot of us flocked to Atlanta to start businesses and pursue careers where doors were closed in other outlets. Jack The Rapper where some of the biggest rappers got their break was in Atlanta. Morehouse is in Atlanta. A huge part of the Civil Rights movement is Atlanta and you gott a throw Memphis in there, which is why there is a lot of Memphis influence in our music. Atlanta has always been an epicenter for Black culture, it was only a matter of time before it became a Black Hollywood of sorts. Even New Yorkers bought homes and moved here. They even opened up businesses here.